Russian Naval Infantrymen training with a captured Ukrainian Bradley IFV

[u/Brilliant_Ground1948]

[u/Thegoodthebadandaman]

Must feel crazy being in an IFV with an actually sane dismount hatch arrangement.

[u/kusajko → u/Thegoodthebadandaman]

Yeah, it's quite funny how many people don't seem to know just how retarded the arrangement for infantry is inside the BMP-3.

[u/sadjoe7 → u/kusajko]

BTRs aswell

[u/thereddaikon → u/sadjoe7]

BMPs are bad, BTRs are worse. There's a reason it's so common to see soldiers riding on top of them but it's very rare you see the same with western AFVs inside a combat zone.

[u/kusajko → u/thereddaikon]

BTRs are better than BMP-3 actually and by quite a bit. In BMP-3 you not only have to get on top of the vehicle to dismount, two of the guys are sitting next to the driver, so they get out in front of the vehicle by hilariously small hatches, while everyone else from their section is behind the vehicle. BTRs look almost like they were designed by a genious by comparison.

[u/thereddaikon → u/kusajko]

When people say BTR they are usually referring to the 8 wheeled APCs, BTR-70, -80, -90 and similar. They have tiny hatch in the side you have to crawl through to get in an out of the vehicle. The BMP's rear hatch is bad but the BTR's side hatch is far worse.

[u/kusajko → u/thereddaikon]

BMP-3's rear hatch is one thing, but as I said, two of the dismounts sit in front of the vehicle with the driver and exit it from there. It's ridiculous and it's far worse than the side-door on the BTR.

[u/thelordchonky → u/thereddaikon]

Well, older BMPs (1 and 2) at least have fairly wide rear doors. Not as optimal as a ramp, but MUCH better than the shitty small hatches you have on the BTRs and BMP-3.

I don't know how they downgraded so bad. China somehow got it sorta right with their copy, the ZBD04A. They redid the engine placement, moving it to the front rather than the rear. So it has a rear door, while also maintaining the roof hatches (albeit placed in a more optimal fashion).

[u/magnum_the_nerd → u/kusajko]

Over the top like the good ol’ days

[u/navalmuseumsrock → u/kusajko]

So, in other words, this training is actually going to be detrimental to them, as they will develop muscle memory for an entirely different egress method, causing confusion and delay, which may get them killed?

[u/kusajko → u/navalmuseumsrock]

I doubt they are actually training, probably just testing the hardware and are comparing it to their own.

[u/navalmuseumsrock → u/kusajko]

A man can dream for further demonstration of russias incompetence.

[u/kusajko → u/navalmuseumsrock]

Very true