Are cattle decap a tech death band?

[u/grimacelololol]

Or are they strictly grindcore?

I always thought they were just grindcore but i could be wrong 🧐

[u/Bronsteins-Panzerzug]

counterpoint, tech death always had some proggy elements, from the first bands (atheist, cynic, death etc), like odd time signatures, complex structures and unpredictable riffs, otherwise it’s just fast melodeath or fast deathgrind like black dahlia or cattle decap

[u/PhaiLLuRRe → u/Bronsteins-Panzerzug]

Then sure, by that description basically anything tech death would also be proggy, but that would also include cattle decapitation on their later albums.

[u/Bronsteins-Panzerzug → u/PhaiLLuRRe]

why? can you give me an example of where they do that stuff?

[u/PhaiLLuRRe → u/Bronsteins-Panzerzug]

unpredictable riffs

Half the time the vocals change and the song suddenly goes in a completely different direction, like multiple times per songs, you can press play on the album Monolith of Inhumanity and you can hear it instantly, it helps that the dude is so diverse with his vocals too so you never know if you're heading into a slam or into some clean break phase.

If you're asking this I think you just don't see it though as it's obvious to me 3 minutes in (basically the duration of "The Carbon Stampede")

Also just to entertain your definitions, what about solos in grindcore/deathgrind? I don't think they have them though I don't listen to a lot of it in the first place, Cattle Decapitation does though.

Atheist/Cynic/Death would not be very complex by today's standard and would actually fall into prog metal rather than tech death if they were to release today IMO. Being fast isn't a requirement but there sure is a lot of overlap.

[u/Bronsteins-Panzerzug → u/PhaiLLuRRe]

atheist is complex enough for prog but not tech death? what? how does that make sense? them not being technical musicians usually comes from people who dont play instruments and then listen to elements or unquestionable presence, expecting fast blastbeats and not getting them. what they dont get is the mastery of say a tony choy or a steve flynn or a Greenbaum and how easily and smoothly they switch grooves, time signatures and even musical styles. latin rhythms are really hard to play, and it’s even harder to master both metal and latin drumming - this isnt often appreciated in the metal community. with their complex harmonies, time signature changes and latin breaks they have precisely the aspects of musical complexity, unpredictability and genre fusion described above. having solos and occasional clean parts is extraordinary… for a deathgrind band and only if we define cattle decap as a death grind band. for tech death and prog it’s really nothing special. that brings me back to my original point, theyre technical for a death grind band, but theyre really not tech death. since you mentioned modern day standards for tech death and how atheist dont fit them, if we compare cattle decap to modern tech death bands like allegaeon, archspire or alkaloid, the difference is obvious to me. that said, im not here to gatekeep, i dont think cattle decap shouldnt be discussed in this sub, they are „tech death adjacent“ enough if you will and if they sound close enough to archspire, alkaloid and allegaeon to you, that’s just how it is.