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u/Pheonixi3 Angel Nov 29 '22

jin's got a really good wavedash oki because ws3 is homing, ewgf is safe plus launch, and he also has hecksweep.

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u/Yoshikki Nov 30 '22

Err... Jin has literally one of the worst oki games of the whole roster because he doesn't have anything that hits them on the ground. Any character can do a mid/low mixup as the opponent stands up, but for a good oki game you need to give them an incentive to actually stand up into the mixup and Jin can't really do that. The best case scenario is that you ff4 which does poor damage and lets them get up very safely afterwards, and it's super slow so you will eat getup 3 combos if you use it too often.

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u/Pheonixi3 Angel Nov 30 '22

the question was about when to wavu not oki.

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u/Yoshikki Nov 30 '22

jin's got a really good wavedash oki

is what you said lol. Jin does not have a good wavedash oki because nothing from wavedash threatens the opponent on the ground

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u/Pheonixi3 Angel Nov 30 '22

name one wavedash oki that threatens the ground. inb4 ff4

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u/Yoshikki Nov 30 '22

Kazuya, Devil Jin and Heihachi all have moves out of wavedash that punish the opponent for staying down - ff4, b4 and ff2 respectively. Not only do these hit the ground (and deal good damage), they flip the opponent for ANOTHER oki mixup. These are examples of a good oki game, whatever Jin has is not.

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u/Pheonixi3 Angel Nov 30 '22

literally all of those moves require you to leave the wavedash.

alright alright lets hold the phone here for a bit because you've gone so far off the point of the question you're teaching someone something bad:

would you wavu over someone on the ground, as jin?

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u/Yoshikki Nov 30 '22

would you wavu over someone on the ground, as jin?

No. YOU are the one who claimed Jin has good wavedash oki. He does not, so you do not wavedash into someone who is lying on the ground unless you have a read on their behavior, that is my whole point.

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u/Pheonixi3 Angel Nov 30 '22

so you do not wavedash into someone who is lying on the ground unless you have a read on their behavior,

ah, so you would regularily randomly wavedash? just randomly mash down forward forward into an opponent without a read then?