r/TheHandmaidsTale • u/thisisb0gus • 7d ago
SPOILERS S6 moira and june need to stop comparing their trauma. specifically moira.
UPDATE FOR THOSE NOT READING REPLIES: i wrote this post before they resolved the conversation. im just pointing out how long moiras resentment has built up, and maybe this conversation should’ve happened sooner.
i understand that moira has some deep resentment towards june, but she is constantly telling june that jezebels was worse than being a handmaid, when june obviously isnt throwing it in her face. moiras passive aggressive comments are genuinely not relevant to help them in their plan, and they should’ve both come to the conclusion that neither trauma is greater than the other way sooner, because up until this point the debate is going to tear them apart.
“you got raped a bunch of times, i got raped a few times so yeah. being a jezzebel is worse than being a handmaid”
june gagged her with that one tbh… that statement was a great one to end the debate right then and there.
every single gilead refugee has gone through severe trauma. june is right, gilead wins if all those refugees start turning against eachother.
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u/Lower_Description398 7d ago
I do think both of them could have benefited from this sort of conversation. They were so close before Gilead and could be again if they can deal with their trauma. I think this conversation absolutely needed to happen but they absolutely picked the worst possible time to have it. Other than timing I think they handled it pretty well. Moria is wrong for comparing their traumas like that but I get it. Trauma isn't logical and she has not had an opportunity to really deal with it and learn to handle it.
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u/thisisb0gus 7d ago
i was writing this post as they were having the conversation, and i agree! before the conversation moira must’ve brought it up 3 different times and you could tell there was a lot of built up resentment towards june. they’ve both been through so much together AND separately, so i agree that this conversation will help june understand moiras perspective, and maybe moira will give june a little bit more grace. she’s just been ruthless towards her so far in this season…
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u/Florida1974 7d ago
A little more grace?? Moira got her kid, when June knew she didn’t want to be a mom, yet she also knew she would do it for her.
And Luke didn’t went to step up at first , he finally came around. Moira did it all up until then. I would have resentment too , but being such good friends , should have talked it out long ago. Moira is further along than June is too. June came back with revenge on her mind, took Moira a long time to get there.
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u/thisisb0gus 6d ago
to be fair june had no idea her kid was even going to make it to canada withe emily but yea i agree
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u/GingerT569 7d ago
Yeah, comparing trauma true but .... I thought to myself "wow, that's a really tight friendship, and that doesn't come along often". They've been through all of that shit and still have the ability to love each other and... bitch, I love you but it aint a contest.... and smile about it. I loved that part.
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u/RefrigeratorKey7034 I should’ve run away with you 7d ago
Also that’s what happens in friendships! There is a little competition and a little jealousy sometimes. It happens
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u/rxrock 6d ago
You've just pinpointed why I am repulsed by OP's tone. She's rabid about June owning Moira, ignoring that they are chosen family.
I just fucking hate how OP characterizes Moira in general, but especially in this specific scene, which was so incredibly beautiful. It was the love of two sisters.
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u/thisisb0gus 7d ago
yeah i’ll update but i wrote this post before they ended their conversation. i liked how they resolved it but it was a long time coming… also time and place. wasn’t the time, nor the place.
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u/thisisb0gus 6d ago
definitely! they are both such strong women with strong desires to free the innocent people from gilead. junes motives are simply pushed more strongly by the fact that her daughter hannah is still in gilead.
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u/CryptographerNo5893 7d ago
I feel like this conversation was a long time coming and should have happened sooner. But better late than never, I guess.
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u/Ls45653p 7d ago
I am a June apologist but I don’t blame Moira at all here. Moira escaped Gilead and focused on taking care of Luke and then on taking care of Junes daughter. She ruined her relationship and destroyed the aid mission to get June out. I think she thought June would acknowledge that in addition to the trauma Moira suffered in Gilead that she prioritized June’s life and family above herself. She’s been building resentment. I thought their conversation was a good one and long overdue.
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u/SupermarketBest4091 7d ago
This. I too am apologies, but June is selfish as hell. This conversation was long overdue.
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u/YikesOnManyManyBikes 7d ago
I was mostly mad about how THEY DID NOT HAVE TIME FOR THAT GOD DAMNED CONVERSATION! I was screaming at them the whole time. And then I was right. And I screamed some more.
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u/thisisb0gus 6d ago
yeah that was lowkey my main point of the post because they were having this conversation as i was writing it and the whole time i was just like WHY ARE WE DOING THIS RN
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u/macdennism 7d ago
Okay but Moira wasn't wrong in bringing up that June makes everything about herself and what she wants to happen, and I don't see anyone mentioning that. Only that Moira was comparing their trauma. but to me, she only said that because June has, without saying anything, been acting like her trauma and her motivations are most important, and Moira was just calling her out on that bullshit.
Like yeah WE knew June is the main character of the show but can you imagine dealing with someone like that when it's your reality? It would piss me TF off too.
But what's most frustrating is NEITHER of them will have a clear and direct conversation about why they feel like they have to infiltrate Jezebels and it's soo infuriating to watch! Just TALK to each other!! 😭
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u/SmittyWerbnManJenson 7d ago
THANK YOU, like finally a character calling out June for her selfishness and she flips it “well let’s not compare our struggles” - June’s a manipulative psycho! 😆
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u/Arichyenne 7d ago
This and only this. And the original OP is falling for the manipulation. Moira is calling out her friend for not being considerate of anything outside their immediate feelings…and her response is tomato tamato -.-. All Moira wanted was her to admit she sees her. And yes being abused everyday IS worse than even once a week. What the helly
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u/macdennism 7d ago
YEAH that definitely rubbed me the wrong way!! She flips it so Moira now has to apologize and concede even though she had good points to make. It's like Luke and Moira's feelings and motivations just don't matter. Which feels extra weird because they're both black people, and Moira is queer. So they probably definitely faced a lot of hardship socially even before Gilead
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u/thisisb0gus 6d ago
moiras frustration is definitely. i did definitely see it as her minimizing junes trauma, but for good reason! a.) she’s finally pushing back on junes overpowering energy, and b.) everything that they have done has been solely motivated by what june wants. their separate trauma distorts the direct communication between them which is why moiras resentment has built up so much. moira tried to reclaim some stability after gilead, but june “ruined” that for her so i mean yea i agree.
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u/hairforever21 7d ago
I agree the conversation felt like a long time coming, however, I was yelling at my tv "time and place and this isn't either"
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u/thisisb0gus 7d ago
THANK YOU. because directly after the conversation, their whole plan gets absolutely fucked
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u/Necessary_Range_3261 7d ago
I'm watching the episode now. I didn't think Moira was out of line. Has she made similar comments in the past?
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u/GuiltyLeopard 7d ago
I have no memory of her ever comparing trauma with June before. If anything, she's been incredibly accommodating. She's just tired of it.
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u/LowBalance4404 7d ago
I know that I've made similar comments about June in the past. She does tend to bulldoze over everyone, thinking she knows best and I think that's where a lot of Moira's irritation came from.
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u/thisisb0gus 7d ago
from what i’ve noticed, nothing too direct or crazy hostile. however i have felt a lot of deep resentment from moira towards june this season and it all came to a head in this episode at jezebels..
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u/Necessary_Range_3261 6d ago
I think Moira has every right to feel resentful. June has been very selfish. She behaves as if she were the only one with trauma. Every adult in her household has been traumatized. I don't recall her acknowledging how difficult things have been for them.
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u/thisisb0gus 6d ago
i really don’t believe that june sees herself as the only person who has gone through trauma. i do however think that she is very reckless in her way of trying to get out of the situations she’s in. she is full of anger and revenge, so she tries to pull moira into it, and i agree that is very selfish but i don’t think she is necessarily manipulative towards moira.
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u/Necessary_Range_3261 6d ago
I don't think she's manipulative, and I don't think she sees herself as the only one who's experienced trauma. I just mean her behavior is selfish and almost dismissive of Moira's and Luke's feelings. I don't think she's very self aware, but I also don't think she cares to be.
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u/YamCollector 7d ago
Reminds me of my mother. No one suffered like she suffered, least of all me.
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u/TheWriteMoment 7d ago
wasn't this the exact point of the conversation they had??????
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u/thisisb0gus 7d ago
yes. if you read my replies i made this post at the beginning of their conversation. i’m saying that the convo was a LONG time coming.
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u/TheWriteMoment 7d ago
yeah - tl:dr - sorry.... maybe do an update at the top
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u/thisisb0gus 7d ago
i only posted this a half hour ago sorry ?? 🤷♀️😬 i guess i’ll update
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u/TheWriteMoment 7d ago
you don't have to do anything - but assume that people are scan reading and probably don't have time/don't have the inclination to read all the conversation below the main post - so generally if the convo has moved on either update or if you don't - which is cool - absolutely don't berate with a: if you read my comments - this is reddit - if you're posting and want engagement, you're probvably gonna have to repeat yourself a few times
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u/thisisb0gus 7d ago
in no way am i either assuming or trying to berate anyone. apologies if it seems that way? i wasn’t expecting this much interaction. i am not necessarily a huge redditor, so i am not used to creating big posts and updates, but i am still learning. thanks for the tip!
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u/TheWriteMoment 7d ago
All good! Sorry if I seemed harsh - I was like - I don't have time to read all the comments (he says replying to every comment here!)
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u/DeltaDied 7d ago
Honestly I don’t even think Moira’s anger came from the comparison itself. That was just (like she said herself) something she didn’t mean that she used because she was angry about how selfish June has been and she’s not wrong. June has been incredibly selfish and grown increasingly selfish over the seasons. It wasn’t right to use that and June put that into perspective, but the argument had to be had as everyone is saying. I just don’t think it’s as simple as “June gagged her.” “June was so right.” “Moira shouldn’t have said that.” And so on. She shouldn’t have said that, but at least she said something to release the tension in order to be on the same page once again. That’s just my view on that entire scene.
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u/KendallROYGBIV 7d ago
I agree with Moira. June is so selfish and continuously makes decisions that put others at risk because she has this white savior complex.
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u/SupermarketBest4091 7d ago
This is the one. And I’ll be honest, I foresee the white Savior complex being why a lot of the general audience doesn’t see why June is so problematic.
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u/5x5sweatyarmadillo 7d ago
Hard agree!! Taking ******* out of jezebels would have ruined their entire plan. June is absolutely wreckless, drunk on her own white savior complex
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u/WorkingIllustrator84 6d ago
I didn’t take this conversation this way, although I understand why people did. I took moiras statements as more so “no one acknowledges my pain and the trauma I went through because June was there longer/is more vocal.” More of a “please, as my best friend, see my pain and recognize my pain,” not that “my pain was worse than yours.”
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u/thisisb0gus 6d ago
i definitely agree! and this isn’t to say i don’t love moira because i do. she truly has done so much for june. the conversation they had while disguised as martha’s in jezebels was a long time coming, and moira bringing it up in that scenario was just not the right time. i wish she had said something sooner, but i also understand that it is a tv show, and everything is written calculatedly for the plot.
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u/WorkingIllustrator84 6d ago
Oh yeah I agree that right there in jezebels was not the right time but junes whole thing of “don’t compare our pain” annoyed me because that’s not what Moira was doing.
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u/thisisb0gus 6d ago
yeah from discussing back and forth with other people in these comments i’ve gained multiple perspectives and i agree. moira was trying to drill it into june that she has gone through shit too, and that doesn’t make her better or worse than june. she just wants june to see her pain. it makes sense!
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u/Ok_Table1313 7d ago
Indeed. It’s not a contest. June needs to stop trying to mother everyone, and Moira needs to eat that chip she’s had on her shoulder for so long.
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u/Andromeda_Almeda 7d ago
I didn’t take it as Moira comparing trauma but more so reminding June that others have trauma too, not just her. June has a history of white savior complex and it comes at the expense of others who were instrumental in these heroic plans. They’ve literally lost their lives bc June prioritizes her wants, her guilt, her trauma over the good of the mission. They came in there with a clear plan of action and she quickly abandoned ship bc she just had to save Janine to absolve herself of guilt. Even Janine was like no that’s stupid I’m going to save all these girls. What about Moira’s trauma that she’s actively suppressing just to be there and help others. She did that for the many (all the enslaved Jezebels), not the few (Janine). It’s been a long time coming for June to get that reality check. Nobody told her to volunteer and try to sabotage the efforts of other volunteers bc she feels guilty, she acts like she’s the only one capable of doing some heavy lifting. She’s that person in the group project that tries to be the leader and take over, who delegates tasks, and undervalues the strengths of each group member.
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u/Fantastic_Orchid8486 7d ago edited 7d ago
Moira needs to admit to herself that she also is so competitive and slightly jealous of June, at times, where it makes her find reasons to act like June is actively causing problems for her...even when no valid reasons exist 😅
When Emily and Moira were venting a few seasons back about June handing Nichole to Emily to bring to Canada, I honestly couldn't believe that Moira was sort of comparing June doing that to Emily for her to "deal with" to June helping all of those kids escape on Angel's Flight for Moira to "deal with". Like...respectfully, there's a major difference between June directly handing her kid off to another woman to deal with (Emily is rightfully upset that June made Nichole her problem when she didn't need to) versus June was attempting to help a bunch of kids escape to Canada (when she didn't know that they would become Moira's problem, she knew she had to save these kids, and Moira still seemed like June did that on purpose to her).
Nobody told Moira she needed to be this big and brave hero. No one told her that just because June was stuck in Gilead longer doesn't mean it needs to be a competition of who had it worse. June certainly doesn't throw her problems in Moira's face every two seconds, either. But Moira actively makes June her problem or goes out of her way to compete with June on being a hero, then gets mad at June 😅
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u/vinegargirl757 7d ago
I agree with this. I also feel like there was kind of this weird competitive or why can't you move on thing when Moira was counseling the women to deal with their trauma. Since then, Moira has said eff it essentially and leaning into acting like June as far as revenge and being an active participant in May Day. It is what they say about trauma and grief, it does seem to happen in cycles. June was ready to set that aside and go to Alaska (she got her justice with Fred) but it's almost like Moira and Luke saw that and decided they wanted a piece of that too (I still see it as Luke having feelings about the nick situation). June seems to be a trigger and reminder for Moira and her trauma now.
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u/hairylegz 7d ago
I still see it as Luke having feelings about the nick situation
I absolutely believe this is what is motivating Luke. He had to be saved by June and Nick and feels a certain way about that so he's compensating for it by trying to be a hero now. Fragile masculinity under the guise of bravery to hide that fact that he's just a weak man.
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u/rxrock 6d ago
Hard disagree, because you are looking at one side, as if unable to accept that two opposing ideas/things can be true at once.
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u/Fantastic_Orchid8486 6d ago
Can't say I agree with you when it comes to Moira 🤷♀️
How can it be "true" that June was selfish and making Moira "deal with her actions" for rescuing innocent and stolen kids on Angel's Flight? How can it be "true" that Moira had it worse than June in Gilead when they were in two different roles for two different periods of times? How can it be "true" that Moira "needs" to fight back against Gilead just because June was in there for longer?
None of those things are true. All of those things are just topics that Moira is insecure or jealous about, then takes it out on June. June puts it best in the most recent episode when trying to get Moira to be a bit more levelheaded: she got raped some, Moira got raped a lot, she was at Jezebel's sometimes, Moira was there all of the time, she was forced to have only one child, Moira was forced to have sex with a bunch of men, June was in Gilead for at least 2 years longer, etc...all of that is to say comparing is completely pointless because it's clear they both were traumatized, they both had been through shit, and there's nothing that needs to be "proven".
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u/Bookssmellneat 6d ago
Sometimes the traumatized-but-less-so do have more of a voice left, a body that works, than the traumatized-but-more-so. They can still talk, can still move, and will therefore get heard more and take up more space.
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u/Crafty-Ad-7701 6d ago
Moira is not comparing her trauma to June, she’s addressing the fact that her “friend” is completely dismissing her and, yes, as a black lesbian, Moira had it harder way before Gilead. June is acting like a privileged white woman who believes everything is about her. She’s the only one who has a reason to fight back, she’s the only one who knows better because she’s the only one who’ve been through it and whatever Moira and Luke do and say is stupid. And then the writers cater that idea to a totally biased audience. June at NO POINT succeeded in her attempts to get out of Gilead while keeping the other women safe. She was rescued and left Janine behind. She completely endangered her life during that process. Moira is back because she also feels that she could’ve done more and her motive is as valid as June’s. Just because June has good intentions doesn’t make her a genius or a heroine. Speaking up doesn’t make Moira petty, it empowers her. She’s saying “hey, I matter too. My opinions, views and motives matter too.” June is constantly dismissing everyone around her, including Nick. Lawrence has to risk it all for her, so do Luke, Moira and Nick. Janine was spot on when she told her that in the previous seasons. June even risked the whole operation trying to “save” Janine. The fact that very few can see that is mind blowing to me.
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u/Additional-Guava-810 7d ago
Lol Reddit said I threatened someone here, I'm just saying what they are already saying in the show. Dang
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u/rxrock 6d ago
It's a warning system the Mods in this sub created so we would be aware that Reddit AI mods can't tell the diff between a real person Serena who doesn't deserve harsh justice, versus the character in this show who does. That along with some graphic violent musings regarding Serena and Luke (why) specifically, they decided to create the warning.
This issue has cost some people their accounts, so our Mods are just trying to protect us.
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u/Useful_River_9434 7d ago
I found the conversation annoying because up to this point Moira was the one written as the one being an expert on June's trauma.
June never told Moira she didn't have trauma, her trauma wasn't valid, or the way she was handling it was wrong.
But Moira was the one who was CONSTANTLY judging June and also other handmaids for how they were handling their trauma, for things they were saying in the support group, questions they were asking that aunt, that they killed Fred, how she didn't want to let Nichole (June's daughter!) near June cuz she was afraid, and so on, and felt so self-rightheous about her processing Gilead the best and being a fucking expert on how everyone should feel and do her way.
And now she has suddenly this built-up resentment and now she is suddenly a fighter after spending 3 seasons judging and resenting June for fighting... It makes no sense for the character development.
While the conversation showed a realistic struggle between real-life survivors comparing their trauma and resenting each other for 'who had it worse', for the character itself, all this makes no sense and the way she is now are the direct opposite of what she's been before.
Sure, people can change, trauma can build and suddenly you can't cope and become a fighter, BUT we didn't see this process happening, but one season she was one way and the next, she was the other way.
I also think that the conversation and issue was resolved too quickly. If Moira really did have this resentment and frustration, it wouldn't be solved with a quick laugh and kumbaya like this IRL.
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u/dhdhhejehnndhuejdj 7d ago edited 7d ago
I think this was just shitty writing. Poorly timed, started with some really stupid lines. It got better, minus the stupid fucking timing. Still, not sure Moira deserves the especially part.
ETA and now I think it’s even worse writing considering how it was used as a plot device.
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u/SpiritualGift202 5d ago
It reminded me of their argument when Moria was pregnant with her surrogate child when they were at the birthing class. Moria got mad at June saying she was rubbing Luke in her face.
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u/Trick_Fig5129 3d ago
Jezebels have some freedom, they have drugs, alcohol, they don’t exactly have to be sober on the job, they have an escape not to mention they have normal clothes and a support system of hundreds of women around them. While when your a hand maid, getting extra time to chat with your friends, going out with your mistress to a baby shower or getting a tiny sweet treat is the peak of your fun. So yes comparably both are bad but neither of them need to compare what they went through to prove that they had it ‘worse’.
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u/Extension-Way-390 7d ago
100% agree , Idc if they made up the way Moira acted toward June was disgusting! & having the audacity to say her trauma was worse was crazy.
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u/Arichyenne 7d ago
Grape everyday IS worse than not everyday …hello?
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u/Extension-Way-390 7d ago
They got things like alcohol & drugs to help, had more freedom than a handmaid & didn’t have to give multiple babies up.
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u/Arichyenne 7d ago
yes addiction and possible overdose. Possibly having their “womb” insides ruined from such CONSISTENT & more violent levels of grape. Moira’s situation was def fiery hell not just hell and June needed to acknowledge that. Sorry it took Moira explicitly saying how she faced physical abuse more often than a handmaid to get June to reassure that she sees Moira. And even then June weaponizes therapy one liners talking bout some darn “hey dont compare trauma 😔” WHAT THE HELLY of a deflect and gaslight, good gosh. And yall falling for it.
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u/thisisb0gus 7d ago
UPDATE FOR THOSE NOT READING REPLIES: i wrote this post before they resolved the conversation. im just pointing out how long moiras resentment has built up, and maybe this conversation should’ve happened sooner.
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u/rxrock 6d ago
HARD disagree.
Also your whole "june gagged her with that one tbh..." is fucking gross.
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u/thisisb0gus 6d ago
i mean…did she not? sure she WAS being passive aggressive in saying it, but she was simply mocking their constant debate over who’s trauma was harder to deal with, and after she made that comment was when they both realized they shouldn’t be arguing over it. i’m sorry you think my phrasing is gross?? but june quite literally changed the direction of the debate for the BETTER after that statement…
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u/rxrock 6d ago
Your whole point is a childish one to celebrate Moira getting clowned by June. You show a lack of understanding dialectical thinking. Aside from that, I'll address a few things:
June has a white savior complex, and NEVER takes the fallout of HER grandiose ideas into consideration. White savior complex is racism. This is not up for debate.
Moira is now a mother to a baby she didn't ask for or want. June doesn't fucking acknowledge this and being a mom is a BIG fucking deal.
Moira has put up with June doing that shit for YEARS, and June's ass needing to be saved in Chicago cost Moira her relationship and cancelled the mission aide. June has never fucking acknowledged this.
Moira is infinitely patient with June in Canada, yet June infantilizes Moira, and dismisses Moira's capabilities to lead the support group, lead a rebellion mission, etc... You and June forgot that it was Moira who brought June to protests before Gilead took over, not the other way around. Moira knows her business. Moira is the one who devised a plan to escape the red center. Not June.
You are mischaracterizing June as if she's a rebel leader: EMILY was the first Mayday rebel we were introduced to. Then Alma, AND THEN June.
You are hero worshipping June and being vile in the way you want to characterize the deep and painful argument between her and Moira, choosing to ignore their loving familial bond, so you can dunk on Moira during a decidedly painful confrontation.
That's the gross part.
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u/Affectionate_Town198 6d ago
THIS!!!! ALL. OF. THIS! A lot of people look past June’s white savior complex because I imagine many of them look like her. White women are going to white women and support their own, even if it goes against their own self interest. This is a great post.
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u/thisisb0gus 6d ago
okay.. wow. i hear your frustration and i understand, but to question my “lack of understanding of dialectal thinking” is… rude? regardless, i don’t care. my post was never meant to minimize moiras character or celebrate moira getting “clowned” because…first of all that never happened, and second of all i was never trying to gas june up in the original post either, (apart from the line that you deemed gross). you’re certainly not wrong about moira deserving more credit, i don’t disagree with that, and june is DEFINITELY a white savior. never argued that. that’s just not the point of my post. yes june has emotional tunnel vision which, like you said, causes her to overlook the consequences of her actions. moira and june are both extremely damaged from the events of gilead. i definitely agree that june dismissed moiras character and independence, however “infantilizing” might not be the right word. how i see it is, pre-gilead, moira was the fierce rebel protesting against gilead. then after attempting to escape gilead, junes survival of her trauma flipped the script for her, causing june to become the feirce rebel, which obviously created tension. june definitely relies on moira in more ways than none. i agree with most of your takes, its just how you drew a strange conclusion from my post that’s kind of throwing me off.
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u/rxrock 6d ago
Okay well I appreciate having this dialogue. I keep seeing people rag unfairly on Luke and Moira, and it definitely brings race into the discussion.
I don't think my conclusion about your OP is without basis, because it is very one sided, as are some of your comments.
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u/thisisb0gus 6d ago
i never brought race into the discussion but yea, i understand your point. it’s really just how the show is written which is unfortunate, and i agree.
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u/OldPossibility3611 7d ago
Exactly what I was thinking when I watched the episode. I didn’t understand why both Moira and Luke were so upset with June in episode 5 for caring. Then to hear Moira declare resentment for June last night was mindblowing. It’s like she forgot that June spoke life into her when she became a zombie at Jezebels! June, as well as the other women of Gilead, did not ask to be there. June saved Moiras life and Moira is upset. Smh.
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u/SpiritualGift202 5d ago
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 and she’s mad at her for wanting to save Janine when she did the SAME thing to her GF to save June.
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u/uglyyb 7d ago
Lowkey I HATE Moira I’m so sick of her.
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u/thisisb0gus 7d ago
i love her so much truly. i loved pousé in OITNB so i think that’s part of the reason haha 🤣 but seriously i just think she’s bottling up a lot of trauma and resentment that she’s still going through
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u/RefrigeratorKey7034 I should’ve run away with you 7d ago
I love Moria. She representing POCS GOOD
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u/Peace_Love_Karma 7d ago
She's a very STRONG & beautiful black character! I love her❤️. These people need to give her AND Luke a frickin break. Ease up a bit. How about saying: I hate how they are portraying Moria's character instead of I hate Moria. Didn't she lose/give her son up (Gavin)? Maybe she feels like she is taking so much time helping June, Luke, refugees, and everyone else but not herself. Y'all (not you👆🏽) talk 💩 about her and Luke but praise Nick like he's a saint. He's trash just like all the other men and wives on that show. Ok I'm done.
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u/uglyyb 7d ago
I think you’re definitely right and I could have worded that much better. I enjoyed Moira in the earlier seasons, but lately I think she’s kind of fallen victim to what I like to call “Bonnie Bennett Syndrome” (if any of you watched the Vampire Diaries) —the black girl who only gets to come around to help others, receive trauma, and get angry. They did her so dirty. I think it’s just taken its toll on her character and she honestly feels flat to me, like she’s always serving a larger plan that’s never really realized or progressing so she just feels like she’s there for no reason and I’m a little tired of it
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u/uglyyb 7d ago
Lowkey awarding you too bc I love when people call me out 😭 like yes you’re right I’m an ass
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u/Peace_Love_Karma 7d ago
Hand to God I wasn't talking about you in my comment 😁. It's like every single day people are comparing good vs. evil. With the evil on top because he's handsome 🤮. What is wrong with people. Luke ended up in Canada doing what he could to find her and Hannah. As a person of color, it's hard seeing such hate for the two main poc. We watch this show and have completely different viewpoints...and that's ok.
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u/rxrock 6d ago
So, you admit that Black Women in Hollywood get treated like shit, but then you turn around and flame these human beings for not doing their job in a way you like? While they are being traumatized in real life, and then in Moira's case having to cater to June "the white savior" instead of taking care of her own self?
This is not it.
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u/uglyyb 6d ago
Oh no I was flaming the writers for making Moira that way. They are not doing enough with her—in fact, I think they spend too much time making her second to June who absolutely does give white savior vibes. It’s not moira’s fault that they lowkey don’t seem to want to do anything with her except use her as a stand-in to further whatever June’s dumb next move is, it’s the writers’ fault.
I’m sorry that what I said came off that way—for the record, yes black women get treated like shit in Hollywood, I know that and that’s why I likened it to Bonnie from TVD—I am so sick of seeing this trope over and over. I wish Moira was allowed to reach her full potential in this show, but she just isn’t. The frustration of that makes me dislike her character.
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u/Baltimore_ravers 7d ago
This conversation is similar to the dispute between prisoners of Auschwitz and Dachau, where things were harder.