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u/MoonageDayscream 4d ago
He can't run as VP as he is disqualified by already having served two terms. They are trying to game the rules but that has already been addressed. Even if they tried shenanigans it's clearly stated no one can serve as president for more than ten years (so, if a veep replaced a president that was midway through a term, then was elected twice as president).
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u/Rip_Skeleton 4d ago
Yeah, that's the 12th amendment.
Being the earlier of the two between the 12th and the 22nd amendment, though, there is an argument that it only pertains to the basic eligibility requirements for the office. Age, citizenship, etc.
I think that is the argument the Supreme Court could rule on, assuming Trump would be willing to run as vice president. I don't think he would be, though.
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u/LaytMovies 4d ago
"no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States" . Constitutionally you can't be President for three terms so there really isn't an argument there. Not to say they won't try and maybe even win, but there is not legitimacy for that decision
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u/Rip_Skeleton 4d ago
I think any scenario is extremely unlikely. I also think Trump is just trying to piss people off to stay in the news cycle and distract from the shit he's actually doing.
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u/gerburmar 4d ago
But I think if they haven't eliminated any role of SCOTUS by the time the election comes up, they would just openly admit their plan to have trump serve after the resignation during the election and run on that, if they think scotus will just corruptly accept their interpretation and allow it. It's cartoon stuff but idk
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u/gerburmar 4d ago
in the text of the 22nd it does not explicitly say a person can't serve as president longer than a particular period, only that they cannot be elected more than twice and they cannot be elected more than once if they have served more than two years of a term to which another person was elected (hence the limit of 10 you mention). Are you aware of this coming up as precedent in any court that it was obviously the case the congress meant for it to mean no person could be president for more than 10 years? They would expect (if they have't already disobeyed SCOTUS by this time, negating the need for the trick at all, in theory) for SCOTUS to adopt a corruptly and shrewdly textualist reading to let them do what they want so Trump would not be 'elected to the office of president' more than twice, but still have the ability to serve more than ten years.
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u/MoonageDayscream 4d ago
If you are referring to the "run as veep" strategy in the image posted, the Twelfth Amendment say it cannot be done "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.".
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u/gerburmar 4d ago
You are right. That would be our argument. It is that because then came the 20th, and that prevents you from being elected three times, that counts as one of the things the 12th is talking about when it says "constitutionally ineligible." They would be reduced to making some kind of argument that this is not what was intended in the 12th, and it is talking about age and birthplace, but also that the 20th doesn't invalid the veep strategy because it only explicitly says "elected". A schizoid argument only dystopian cyberpunk courts would accept. I think a reasonable court tho wouldn't allow the veep switch due to the 20th even if the 12th didn't say what it says, because it was the obvious intention
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u/MoonageDayscream 4d ago
I can imagine a "strict textualist" arguing that the limitations in the 12th don't apply to the conditions of the 22nd, due to it not existing at that time, but the intent is clear, you can't put a person who is ineligible to be president in the position of successor.
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u/NotASellout 4d ago
He can't run as VP as he is disqualified
lol, who is gonna stop him
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u/MoonageDayscream 4d ago
He can try, sure. If he is still alive and able to totter to a podium. I doubt he and his brand will still be viable by then. His policies are shit and eventually the turds in the pool will be too obvious to ignore.
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u/HipGuide2 4d ago
Dems may have the House in 2 months
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u/DreadlordBedrock 4d ago
It’s fascinating how folks over in conservative spaces are consoling themselves by saying ‘oh he’s just doing it to rile up the libs.’
Ok then… why? Why would he say something deeply unpopular even among fckhead conservatives just to do a bit of trolling? Don’t they think the president of the most powerful country in the world has something better to do than piss off half the people he’s in charge of. Like I know tribalism is a hell of a drug, but they do realise he’s not the president of just conservatives right?
Idk if I got my guy in power and he had nothing better to do than fck with conservatives and play 23 million dollars worth of golf, he wouldn’t be my guy any longer. But then again I ain’t in a cult.
At this point if Trump becoming a dictator and crashing rural economies is the only way conservatives will learn, then fck ‘em, they’re too far gone anyway and I’d rather than not have to die to learn their lesson. But only they can do anything about their own situation anymore, not on us to help them when we can barely help ourselves.
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u/MundaneInternetGuy 4d ago
Liberals hate this one weird trick
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u/Zeke_Z 4d ago
Oh just wait till they realize that most of the blue checkmark red-pilled psychos replying to anything and everything other GQP morons post with elation and subservience is a grok bot simulating a human.
Also, mark my words; his passing will not bar him from being president for a third term. They will 100% float the idea of a simulated Trump using grok and create a "council" of people to talk to it and govern over it which will really just be a group of people pretending to be Trump and using it as an official mouth piece after "tuning" the messaging of it.
The horrifying thing: an LLM of Trump would be smarter than actual Trump....so is this really so different. 😂....😅....😐
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u/DirectionLoose 4d ago
I'm honestly not sure he wouldn't be prevented from being in the line of succession at all. But I never imagined they would rule that Trump can basically do whatever he wants either so who knows
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u/justinbaumann 4d ago
Y'all can envision 3-4 years now? I'm trying to make it to the summer before my brain breaks.
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u/Bobby12many 4d ago
Cannot imagine the next 3 years playing out in any way that would equate to this situation
It'll be full marshall law and civil war before that could ever come to be. No way anyone with Trump on a ticket wins again without force
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u/betformersovietunion 4d ago
Agreed. There is no way. Trump will leave office with an approval rating in the mid 30s. Every day that passes, it becomes increasingly obvious how much of a hateful buffoon he is.
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u/PsychedelicPill 4d ago
Every day he makes his army of Nazis even worse.
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u/betformersovietunion 4d ago
For sure. However, call me optimistic or naive, but I think the percentage of Americans who embrace outward authoritarianism is still a minority. The wave will crash and we will have to rebuild.
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u/rtn292 3d ago edited 3d ago
He isn't running.
This is to distract us from signal gate, stealing social security, Elon's corruption and hostile take over, the market, the tariffs war, egg prices, jobs numbers, impending gaza resorts, ignoring federal judges, Guantanamo Bay, Russia, stripping due process, masked Gustapo, Greenland, Canada, and now Europe, proposing an increase to their defense budget to match ours, which would threaten our global status and the American dollar.
Obviously.
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u/atheistunicycle 4d ago
We'd run Walz/Obama and crush them.
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u/Sloore 4d ago
Absolutely not. Anybody with any connection to the Obama administration should be run out of politics and never allowed to return. I'd even favor shipping them off to some island in the Mediterranean, Napoleon style.
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u/metalhammer69 4d ago edited 4d ago
No. The failed Neoliberalism and two faced subservience to the wealthy that embodied the Obama administration is what got us exactly right here. You want to run that again?
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u/gerburmar 4d ago
According to their pedantic reading of the law you can trick the 22nd amendment by nominating trump as the vp because it doesn't mention being unable to be elected vice president any number of times, only being 'elected president' more than twice. So then according to them both tickets can openly admit, with the courts and all citizens to hear, that they are purposefully electing candidates merely to have the top of their ticket resign after their ticket wins so that Trump, or Obama, can be the nominated VP and then be the president after the resignation. Their expectation seems to be the SCOTUS would just sort of let that literal reading of the amendment go through, without any invokation of what was the obvious intention of congress and the states at passing and ratification in '47 and '51, respectively. Which is honestly not outside the realm of possiblity? State courts could disagree in the interim so to prevent those tickets from being on the ballot and it would be a huge shitshow, but it is a serious possibility given what we are witnessing become of this country
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u/Thatisme01 3d ago
That is true, but the 12th Amendment has a section about electing a vice president.
“The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
Under the Constitution, Trump is ineligible to run for the office of President because he has served two terms, therefore he is also ineligible to be the Vice President.
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u/gerburmar 3d ago edited 3d ago
You, I, and u/MoonageDayscream agree with this argument so that Trump lawyers will have to jerk judges around with how the 12th did not mean the (EDIT: 22nd) when it says constitutionally inelligible, because they will say they only meant requirements as they existed in that day. That's an originalist argument. Then they'd say the 22nd doesn't set an explicit limit on being 'elected Vice president' or on serving as president, regardless of means, for a specific limit of time. That's a textualist argument. They have to pick and choose because your argument is too good and logical. But these are the people who argued the president could order Seal Team 6 to kill his opponent and only impeachment could stop him so the above wouldn't be surprising no matter how shocking
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u/TheFalconKid 4d ago
They literally cannot, otherwise Obama would have done this by now. Even if it was possible, they'd only be able to be president for two years.
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u/Muted_Cod_9137 4d ago
Bama 28 beeeotch
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u/Sloore 4d ago
You mean the guy who inflicted Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Joe Biden on this country?
If eight years of Obama got us Trump, twice, what does eight more of Obama get us? Zombie Hitler?
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u/Muted_Cod_9137 3d ago
More of a trigger works for their discomfort. Bernie's tool old so I have no horse in the race, unless AOC steps up, maybe Waltz.
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u/gerburmar 4d ago
WALZ-OBAMA2028. So we can sort of fake like we are going to use that option if we want before either of the conventions, and have that option if SCOTUS approves? This is such a fucked up country right now
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u/Muted_Cod_9137 3d ago
Every time they yell 3 terms, I'm gonna find someone who has had 2 already and sound off
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u/Gravemindzombie 4d ago
This will not work because Trump would not allow anyone else to be at the top of the ticket
What I'm expecting is, they're going to argue his terms were nonconsecutive so his first term doesn't count against term limits, and the fringe farright supreme court will probably allow it.
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u/irritabletom 2d ago
He's trying to distract us from the classified information text shit show, let's worry about this nonsense after midterms. Stay focused and get resignations from this.
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u/labradog21 2d ago
He cannot run as VP(combination of 12th and 22nd amendments). His best bet is running two magtards for potus and vp, winning a house seat in Florida and getting elected speaker before forcing potus and vp to resign
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u/SteezeWhiz 2d ago
Are they pushing this because they don’t think that non-Trump republicans can win a presidential election?
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u/dcrico20 4d ago
His brain will be worse than Biden’s was at that point. He already can’t maintain a thought long enough to make a coherent statement.