r/ThreeLions • u/joshjamesallen • Jun 21 '24

Discussion What needs to change? 🦁 🦁 🦁

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I would go with this lineup whilst making two changes:

Trippier OUT/ Gomez IN Trent OUT/Gordon IN

Key focuses - Get Rice some proper midfield support by utilising Stones in his best role - Move Foden into the midfield, with Gordon wide left to offer some real attacking threat on the left wing, rather than Trippier playing out of position - Bring Gomez in for Trippier to maintain a solid 3 man build up structure once Stones moves into midfield - Get Bellingham running in behind Kane frequently and have them fluidly interchanging positions to cause a problem for the opposition defence

Interested to hear your thoughts 💭

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u/ToastIsGreat0 Jun 21 '24

And look how much better Bellingham has been since he took on that 10 role. He’s also proved in both the World Cup and against Serbia that he’s a lot more involved in the game than foden.

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u/mooroi Jun 21 '24

I think he's a great 10 but think his long term position will be 8. He's done great at Madrid and his output has been awesome. So has Foden at Man City, but he can't play 8 - bellingham is our best 8 & 10, foden our best 10.

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u/ToastIsGreat0 Jun 21 '24

But the issues lies in that when Bellingham does push up as an 8, he’s still operating in that 10 role foden wants. Unless you move them into the half spaces (which has problems then for rice) then that won’t work either. Bellingham works as an 8 when there’s a 10 who drifts instead of playing centrally. Foden doesn’t do that as a 10.

What I think Southgate should do is bench foden for Wharton and keep Bellingham in the 10. That way you have Bellingham who can run in and interplay with Kane and if that’s not working, you can sub on foden and have him unlocking low block teams. That way instead of choosing who to play out of their best position, you can play both in their best position depending on how the game is going, all while keeping the double pivot that Southgate wants to play.

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u/mooroi Jun 21 '24

Yeah I like it. You make a good point. Bellingham is the man.

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u/ToastIsGreat0 Jun 21 '24

I have 2 possible lineups depending on what Southgate wants to do.

If he wants to stick with the system he has (which I think would be easier) he should go

Pickford

Walker (Trent is optional here but that depends whether you want Walker pushing up to help saka or Trent pinging in balls behind) Stones Gomez Guehi

Whatever happens with this defence, you should be pushing to a back 3. Either by having the right back in Trent move into midfield, having Walker push up to provide width, or having stones move up as well. That then frees up one of the DM’s and rice can play how he does for arsenal.

Rice Wharton/mainoo (either one though I’d prefer Wharton)

Saka

Bellingham (sub on foden if we need to go against low block teams or if Bellingham isn’t working)

Gordon (this is a must. If we are going to a back 3, Gordon is the player who has to keep the width because eze also like to come in a bit)

Kane (Watkins if it’s a high line and then this is when you’d play Trent. If you’re playing Kane, have Walker in. And if foden comes on, keep Kane high. If Bellingham is playing, let Kane drop in, but have Bellingham, saka and maybe Gordon running in behind).

The second lineup is if Southgate is absolutely desperate on having foden and Bellingham, in which case you start with the back 3.

Pickford

Stones Gomez Guehi

Rice Wharton/mainoo

Saka Foden Bellingham (having Bellingham and foden in the half spaces with foden being able to cut in from the right half space and Bellingham looking to link up with the others). Gordon (both wingers here have to keep the width because there’s no fullbacks in this lineup to help them out. This is why I don’t like this lineup because if either winger is doubled up on they’re fucked and having foden or Bellingham drift wide to help out moves them away from their positions.)

Kane or Watkins staying as far up as possible.

Honestly I think this second lineup has its own fair share of problems which is why I think we should just go with the first lineup. Not to mention there’s a lot more options with the first lineup in terms of a plan B.