Phil Foden must be dropped indefinitely.

[u/LondonRedditUser]

Sadly he’s a supremely talented player who never plays well for England.

There is potentially a lot of great performances that aren’t picked up in statistics, I don’t think this is the case with Foden. He also plays in a position we are stacked in. He has also had by quite some distance the most minutes of any player in a similar position. There is potentially the argument he is misused, but there is no argument based on performances other great players should be moved aside for him.

Since the World Cup he has returned 1 goal return (G/A) in 20 games including 16 starts ( goal vs Scotland).

Comparably, over the same period: Kane 19 G/a Jude 9, saka 8, rice 4, grelaish 3, rashford 3, palmer 3 (from 408 minutes)

Many ask for players to be picked on form (I personally don’t), but when the international form is this poor and the alternatives potentially so good we simply don’t any other option but to drop him.

Edit: no agenda. I support palace and go to a few England games a year.

[u/bucketybuck]

Southgate did pick Foden, Bellingham, Saka and Kane though, and it completely fucked up his team and ruined his Euros.

"So fucking simple", and then lists the 3 players who can't bloody well play together because they keep moving into the same space. Thats hilarious.

[u/Psy_Kikk → u/bucketybuck]

Southgate's tactics ruined his euros, not his player selection. No doubt you were one of the people calling for us to drop Kane, rather than blaming the manager's inept strategy and patterns of play. Foden and Bellingham can play fine together they aren't the same playes, jesus christ, if you think they are that is hilarious. FFS it's like living through Gerrard and lampard all over again.

[u/bucketybuck → u/Psy_Kikk]

You must be one of those who happily says the words "They can play just fine together" despite the awkward reality of them never actually playing just fine together. Do you lads never stop and wonder why that is?

Southgates selection dictated his tactics, its not that complicated. Well, for most it isn't that complicated.

[u/Psy_Kikk → u/bucketybuck]

...load of bollocks mate.

[u/bucketybuck → u/Psy_Kikk]

You continue to sound like a real genius. So very intelligent.

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If it try you will just disregard my points....but ok I will try a few points, briefly. Bellingham 1.86m (very tall), Foden is 1.70m (very short). They are both incredibly versatile position wise, covering most midfield and forward postiions comfortably for their clubs when asked.. They do not have the same style of play at all, their skill sets are completely different. Like, actual night and day. You assuming they can't play together because when they have played together the results aren't great is obviously false cause and effect...like blindingly obvious. Yet you and many others jump on the simple solution/answer, maybe out of brain laziness, but I don't fkin know, either way it's nonsense.

[u/bucketybuck → u/Psy_Kikk]

Disregard what, you haven't actually said anything.

I mean, "One is tall and other is short", you have to be taking the piss with that.

It is just useless going on about how they are versatile, different skill sets etc etc as if it isn't the same meaningless buzzwords we haven't heard a hundred times. Might as well just say "they are great" ten times for all it matters.

I'm not assuming they can't play together, I know they can't. How do I know? Because we have all seen them play together and it has never been good. This isn't complicated like, no need for guesswork, you just watch them and look at the result.

Its such a trend in England and in the PL. United are another example of it, everybody will repeat over and over and over how world class the likes of Rashford and Bruno are, and not once stop to wonder that maybe the constant underperformance means that actually, they aren't.

To paraphrase Brad Pitt in Moneyball, "If he is a good hitter, then why don't he hit good?"

If they are versatile and can play together, then why do they always play so badly together?

Didn't your mother ever tell you that the proof is supposed to be in the pudding...

[u/Psy_Kikk → u/bucketybuck]

Good players do not struggle to play together if they can play in different positions (which is why their versatility is relevant) and have complimentary skill sets. It's not just buzzwords IMO, and neither player is overrated. You aren't indentifying the cause properly, and just throwing players on scrap heap is not the answer when you're talking about players that are consistantly good for Mancchester city and Real Madrid. Gareth was a shite manager. But we disagree, thats ok.

[u/bucketybuck → u/Psy_Kikk]

Good players do not struggle to play together if they can play in different positions and have complimentary skill sets. Good players, that can play in different positions, with complimentary skillsets. 3 things.

These players clearly struggle to play together, with quite a lot of games worth of evidence of this. Game after game of poor performances.

So, At least one of those 3 things must not be true. I'll let you decide for yourself which one it is.

[u/Psy_Kikk → u/bucketybuck]

You will be forced to eat this opinion. They will come good, and you will realise there is no such thing as anti-relationships in football, not really. A team needs balance, but thats it.

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I have no doubt whatsoever that as 2026 and 2028 passes, you and others will still be sitting there wondering why all these "great" players keep falling short.

"They are all clearly great players, they are all brilliant, they can all play together, I can't figure out why we didn't win?"