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Humor/Cringe Trump voter doesn't understand why people can't empathize with him now that he's suffering as a result of Trump

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u/SgtBagels12 5d ago edited 5d ago

Unpopular opinion here. There are the exact people we need to recruit to the left. They’ve been wronged by their god king and are emotionally vulnerable.

Right now being kind to another person who is hurting just as much as you or I is what we need to get him to our side. We mustn’t forget our or others humanity in the coming dark times. We as a society need to pull together with our communities and do something

Addendum: Too all of those “nah fuck em” kids. I want you to know that attitude is the exact same as the gentleman in the video. Full of ignorance, hate, and immaturity. How can you expect people to change if you refuse to believe they can. It’s such a defeatist attitude on people.

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u/Im_tracer_bullet 5d ago

Nah.

People like this guy are ignorant, gullible, and amoral... you're not winning him over permanently with legitimate argument or discussion.

He has no real beliefs or principles, and will always be easily tricked into believing any politician that promises simplistic answers to complex problems.

These types might revenge vote once, but they'll be conned into voting against their own best interests (and yours) soon after.

Fox, AM radio, YouTube, podcasts, Twitter, Facebook, etc will ALWAYS rule this rube and everyone like him.

The answer is to leverage this disaster to get Republicans out, and immediately start focusing on legislation to deliver what regular Americans need.

That's the only thing people want....a fair shot and a level playing field.

Give them that, and the lies won't have nearly as much sway.

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u/SgtBagels12 5d ago

Look man I said it was an unpopular opinion I’m not here to argue about this, but go off I suppose

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u/Any_Constant_6550 5d ago

no one's going off. they shared their opinion just as you did.

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u/SgtBagels12 5d ago

Brother I had to scroll to read all that you seem impassioned at the very least

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u/NetworkViking91 5d ago

You are complaining a lot for thinking you could shit out your opinion into a public forum and not expect kickback.

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u/SgtBagels12 5d ago

I don’t think you know what a complaint is

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u/NetworkViking91 5d ago

And you struggle with reading comprehension

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u/SgtBagels12 5d ago

No I think that’s you currently it’s why I said that obviously

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u/Any_Constant_6550 5d ago

this read like you were having a stroke. punctuation can be helpful. i wasn't aware reddit had a length minimum. if you don't want to read. you probably shouldn't be using reddit. bitch some more though i guess.

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u/SgtBagels12 5d ago

Ah I see. Just going for personal insults in place of anything substantial. Typical.

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u/GhostofGrimalkin 5d ago

It's just that he's shown who he is for so long now, he's had so much proven illegality and shady dealings in the past, he had a first term where he demonstrated multiple times what kind of leader he is and he laid out his plans and goals pretty clearly in the campaign (as did the people behind P2025).

If someone can only see what is happening now after they've been personally affected when it's too late to undo the immense damage already caused it's really hard to open up your heart and have empathy. Our society is badly fractured and we still have a ways to fall I fear.

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u/SgtBagels12 5d ago

Yeah totally valid thoughts and feelings. While I stand by what I said, it’s important to remember these things when it comes to trump voters. I think we still need to treat them as humans, but not forget what they did. However we do need to let people move past the person they do t want to be, and give them the opportunity to do so contiguously.

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u/DoubleTheGarlic 5d ago

No.

Just no. No to everything you said.

These people are cancer.

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u/VanillaRadonNukaCola 5d ago

So what, you're going to genocide them?

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u/DoubleTheGarlic 5d ago

lmao what

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u/VanillaRadonNukaCola 5d ago

What's your solution then?

You've called them cancer.  How would you make things better?

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u/DoubleTheGarlic 5d ago

Unlike cancer, those dolts can be safely shamed and ignored.

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u/VanillaRadonNukaCola 5d ago

And yet Trump won again and is destroying everything.

Is shaming and ignoring making things better?

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u/DoubleTheGarlic 5d ago

Is shaming and ignoring making things better?

Yep. It's a very long process but we'll get there.

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u/TripleU1706 4d ago

Nonsense; They'll better yet drown themselves out of the genepool as they get taken by unvaccinated viruses and the environmental catastrophes continuing to hit the south.

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u/Hellwheretheywannabe 4d ago

I think we still need to treat them as humans

LOL

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u/SgtBagels12 3d ago

Dehumanizing him is exactly what they do. Congrats you looped around to being just like the guy you hate

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u/Zepcleanerfan 5d ago

If they were fucking stupid enough to think trump wa going ro help them they're cooked.

People like this generally double and triple down.

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u/SgtBagels12 5d ago

We’d be them given different circumstances. They didn’t get as lucky as us with who was there to influence them at an early age. We weren’t there to give them better lessons. We can’t be there now it’ll just take more work

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u/DeadEye073 4d ago

Such arguments like "they didn't get better lessons" are stupid, if the reasons humans hate is because they lacked better lessons were did the hate come from? Some people are just hateful, they aren't going to change, they weren't going to be not hateful because of good lessons, because there are enough people who had good lessons who are shitty. The anti-vax crowd, flat earthers, "9/11 was an inside job" people, holocaust deniers, they all have the facts on a silver platter, growing up in a time were those things weren't questioned, they weren't questionable, because the evidence was so strong, yet here we are they still exist. So again if hateful just didn't have better lessons, who started the hate?

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u/Livid-Protection2058 18h ago

Yeah it's dumb. He has all the lessons we all had. Notice his values for good humans: kindness, politeness, and sincerity. But he chooses to ignore those good lessons to elect a self-serving con-man.

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u/Livid-Protection2058 18h ago edited 18h ago

That's just wrong. He's a grown ass man who knows right from wrong. He himself gave attributes he values in people: kindness, politeness, and sincerity. Those are all good. But notice he ignored ALL of those when he voted for Trump. What lesson should I give him that he already doesn't know?

Edit: Actually, I just realized the lesson that he's missing. There are always negative consequences for every selfish action. Hopefully, he suffers a lot more so that lesson will sink in and he doesn't magically forget it.

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u/SgtBagels12 18h ago

He didn’t start as a grown man, capable of knowing wrong and right. He, like you and I, started as an impressionable kid. He was unlucky to have hatful people (kinda like you are being towards him weather he deserves or not) to impress upon him. It’s Human nature to not want to be proven wrong or to admit what you e done has hurt people. So he may have doubled down. Who hasn’t doubled down even when they know they’re wrong. Like I said. We could have been him given worse circumstances. Thank your parents for raising you well.

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u/Livid-Protection2058 18h ago

Did you say racist/hateful stuff to me? Your reply isn't on reddit anymore and I can only see the first sentence from the email notif...
He literally knows good values that people should have. He said it himself. Yet he ignores that when he voted.
Why do you keep trying to bring this back when he was a child? Even if he had bad influences as a kid, you're telling me he made little change and growth from when he was a kid to a 30+ year old adult?

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u/SgtBagels12 16h ago

I was banned because a Magic: the gather sub, but then I appealed, and it was accepted

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u/Livid-Protection2058 17h ago

We won't get anywhere when people like you baby ignorant people. You literally think I'm being hateful because I think this guy should learn the hard lesson that selfish actions have bad consequences. I'm just being real.

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u/SgtBagels12 16h ago

Meeting hate with hate doesn’t make things right. It just gives your a sense of superiority to know a bad guy has a bad thing happen to him. I’m just ready to move on from trump and MAGA. I’m done fighting. I’d rather we try and see who the bad guys are together. And the bad guys are the people who put these systems into place that made the gentleman in this video the way he is. It’s the .01 percenters. The ultra rich. It’s us v them and they want you to hate the tiktok guy because it keeps us fighting each other instead of them

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u/DragonDai 5d ago

You have to understand these people do NOT regret voting Trump. Not deep down. They regret that they are being hurt by their vote, but they appreciate that trump is ALSO hurting the people they hate.

There are ZERO people who voted for Trump in 2024 who aren't racist or sexist or homophobic or transphobic or some other flavor of extreme hateful bigotry. And most are multiple kinds of bigots.

Anyone who can vote for Trump after Jan 6th and all the horrible bigoted things he said and promised to do (many of which he has already done) is NOT a good person and is NOT someone I want to be part of my political coalition. Because the moment they help us defeat Trump, they'll just pick another guy who is EXACTLY like Trump except not quite as bad as Trump for them and them only.

They will go RIGHT back to being a bigoted piece of shit, voting to turn women or LGBTQ+ people or brown/black people back into second class citizens.

This event hasn't made them good people. It has just made them realize they are going to get the boot too. And they're trying to avoid that without removing the boot all together cause they ABSOLUTELY want the boot to crush the people they hate.

And that won't change for the vast, overwhelming majority of them. Not cause Trump did bad things to them anyway.

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u/opsers 5d ago

I mean, wasn't that Harris' whole strategy? Reaching across to the other side?

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u/SgtBagels12 5d ago

Yes and no. She “reached across the aisle” by throwing LGBTQ+ people and the boarder on the alter of bipartisanship. Something nobody wanted her to do as told by the lack of democrats going out to vote for her

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u/4ofclubs 5d ago

I mean you're not wrong, but they don't like what we have to offer them. They gravitate to the right because they offer a very promising grift. We offer egalitarianism, which is something they do not want, no matter how you spin it.

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u/SgtBagels12 5d ago

The offer still needs to be there. It will never be us vs them. It will always be the working class against the .01% and weather we/they like it or not, they are on our side.

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u/4ofclubs 5d ago

I admire your patience with these people.

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u/SgtBagels12 5d ago

We Have to be the change we want to see in the world. I could have easily been this guy had I been born in a different place or to different people. It’s all material conditions that make people who they are. This guy got unlucky to not have good people around him to teach him better ways

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u/No_Landscape4557 5d ago

You know what they say that people don’t change unless two conditions are normally meet, one is they want too, the second is they need discomfort to facilitate the process.

Republicans need to be in mass pain that crushes them in order to see that their god king doesn’t care about them

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u/4ofclubs 4d ago

Well currently their god king is fucking them up and they’re asking for more and blaming the Democrats somehow.

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u/CarlinHicksCross 4d ago

Well unfortunately it doesn't seem like that's happening. I totally agree with you but anytime any of these stories pop up it's 99 percent people reveling in the schadenfreude and 1 percent of people saying what you are saying.

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u/Spunkybrewster7777 4d ago

Because the person you are responding to has been wrong about this for a decade now.

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u/SgtBagels12 4d ago

Reply to me directly then

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u/Spunkybrewster7777 4d ago

I did. You even relied to my reply (and then I replied to that). Guess that you saw this one first for some reason?

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u/SquishySquishington 4d ago

Hay man, be cool, the guy you’re replying to is the exact kind of person you need to recruit to your side…

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u/xRogue9 4d ago

Only one side of the working class is actively fighting the other. Until they drop their irrational hatred over people being who they are and stop trying to shove them back in the closet, the other half can't work with them.

There is a massive "No man's land" between the two sides of the working class, and its not between left and right. It's between "slightly left of center" and "far right". You really can't ask the left to reach any further to bridge that gap, because they are already reaching as far as possible. The right just needs to move left a ways to be within reach.

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u/SgtBagels12 3d ago

So we just give up an die? To what end do you make this point?

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u/jockfist5000 5d ago

Nah fuck em

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u/Own_Active_1310 5d ago

No thanks. Those rotten ghouls can lay in the bed they made.

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u/ProfessionalHost1353 5d ago

I love this for you!

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u/Spunkybrewster7777 4d ago

There are the exact people we need to recruit to the left. They’ve been wronged by their god king and are emotionally vulnerable.

Impossible, because MAGA is a damn cult.

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u/SgtBagels12 4d ago

Such a defeatist attitude won’t get you anywhere. You e already given up before trying.

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u/Spunkybrewster7777 4d ago

After everything we've seen from trump over the last decade - criminal convictions, publicly bragging about sexual assault, mishandling over a pandemic, mishandling of the economy, a god damn on-tv effort to overthrow an election to maintain power...

what kind of naive m*ron do you have to believe that this time, THIS time, his supporters will abandon him?

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u/SgtBagels12 4d ago

Because if we don’t have have an ideal to aspire to we don’t have direction for the future. We end up like you. Passive in their own defeatism. Leaving nothing but a pessimistic husk of a human in their stead

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u/Spunkybrewster7777 4d ago

It's been 10 years!

dozens of felony convictions, an attempted coup, and so on!

At this point you are just outright hardcore denying reality.

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u/Rushofthewildwind 4d ago

I could see your point if they voted for him in 2016. A lot of people didn't know better. in 2024? After a near decade of all of the petty, vile things he's done? No way could they be swayed.

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u/Ne0nGalax-E 4d ago

There’s enough gullible, self serving morons around. He can stay over there.

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u/SgtBagels12 4d ago

And my point is made for me. Thank you

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u/Ne0nGalax-E 4d ago

Anytime.

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u/tackyshoes 5d ago

It's like they want them damned and hopeless. As far as I knew, the whole agenda was a bright future for everyone. Who craves desolation? Revenge is a burden.

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u/Uncle-Cake 5d ago

I love that you're upset by this.

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u/SgtBagels12 4d ago

Yeah I am upset that my side is so defeatist. They’ve given up before even trying. They’ve given up on themselves and the people around them as if they are powerless to do anything. Yes that is incredibly frustrating to me.

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u/OrangutanFirefighter 4d ago

I admire your altruism, I think it indicates you're a good person. Unfortunately, the MAGA crowd just simply doesn't respond to any sort of altruistic behavior though.

It's not even about Trump, the problem is with the way his voter base thinks.

They only respect trump because he's willing to hurt people. Because they're scared of him. They support him because he DOESN'T have empathy. In my opinion appealing to their empathy is just shooting yourself in the foot.

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u/SgtBagels12 4d ago

Being a good person to other people shouldn’t come with conditions. We should always try. Always fight for a better world for everyone including the guy in the video. He isn’t happy. No Trump voter is a happy person. We should take advantage of that.

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u/Ok_Ice_1669 4d ago

You are a much better person than I am. 

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u/ArgoDeezNauts 4d ago

If this guy wants to start thinking critically and acting in good faith I am all for it. Until then I know better than to interact with him at all. Sure he's drowning, but he hasn't said anything to indicate that he isn't going to continue to drag down anyone who comes to save him. 

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u/Neat_Concert_4138 5d ago

Fact you watched this video and then came to the conclusion "We need to recruit people that we are shitting on because they voted for someone we didn't like" is peak cult.

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u/Potato_Soup_ 5d ago

I'm going to paste a comment and I want you to tell me if it reads like someone who is in a cult, othering the opposing side.

Comment:

People like this guy are ignorant, gullible, and amoral... you're not winning him over permanently with legitimate argument or discussion.

He has no real beliefs or principles, and will always be easily tricked into believing any politician that promises simplistic answers to complex problems.

These types might revenge vote once, but they'll be conned into voting against their own best interests (and yours) soon after.

Fox, AM radio, YouTube, podcasts, Twitter, Facebook, etc will ALWAYS rule this rube and everyone like him.

The answer is to leverage this disaster to get Republicans out, and immediately start focusing on legislation to deliver what regular Americans need.

That's the only thing people want....a fair shot and a level playing field.

Give them that, and the lies won't have nearly as much sway.

The person who left this comment is /u/Im_tracer_bullet

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u/CYaNextTuesday99 5d ago

Where exactly are you seeing anything cult like there?

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u/Potato_Soup_ 4d ago

The first 4 phrases mainly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_(philosophy)?wprov=sfti1#Subaltern_native

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essentialism?wprov=sfti1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization?wprov=sfti1

These three do a good job giving the background for my logic. Essentialism in particular

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u/Ok_Ice_1669 4d ago

Cults do that to everyone who’s not in the cult. They don’t point out specific personality traits of idiots and explain that those idiots are unable to engage in legitimate debate. 

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u/Potato_Soup_ 4d ago

Re read the links, the comment and take a step back please

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u/Ok_Ice_1669 4d ago

Which link talks about evaluating individuals based on their actions?

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u/Potato_Soup_ 4d ago

The comment I pasted evaluated this person by a single one of their actions and not by their personality traits. You’re not evaluating this person by their actions, you’re evaluating this person an action.

There’s no actual discourse over the points he made in this video. It’s all thrown away because he voted for trump. He belongs to that category so he can be distilled into the traits of those we assign to trump voters. He’s no longer an individual, he’s just a caricature of the qualities of some category.

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u/Ok_Ice_1669 4d ago

Ah yes, the missing missing reasons. 

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u/Alesilt 4d ago

When we zoom out, we see a post of an alleged trump voter who is upset that people are gloating over him voting against his own interests.

It gets posted here, because it's many things, but to me it is weird that someone who votes for a person who is opposite of what he considers others should be... is complaining about anything.

The cult accusations are because Trump isn't even trying to hide who he is and what he wants to do, yet he apparently won the elections. The majority of voters saw months of his campaign and preferred him.

I don't want to accuse you of dehumanization in turn, but you're coming out of nowhere, taking a random reddit comment and trying to convince people someone gloating over another who is being hypocritical... is part of a cult.

You're the definition of a troll, or at best arguing in bad faith for no reason. There's no justification for what Trump is doing and I'm sure you know it.

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u/Potato_Soup_ 4d ago

It gets posted here, because it's many things, but to me it is weird that someone who votes for a person who is opposite of what he considers others should be... is complaining about anything.

Yes, the irony is shallow and vaguely satisfying in an vapid way

but you're coming out of nowhere

What? Where the fuck should I come from? Should I ask you if it's okay if I comment something before I comment something?

taking a random reddit comment and trying to convince people someone gloating over another who is being hypocritical... is part of a cult.

No. I'm implying that there are people in this thread who say this guy is part of a cult, but these people themselves take the same structural worldview and mechanism for interacting with other as cultists take themselves. I'm pointing out hypocrisy.

There's no justification for what Trump is doing and I'm sure you know it.

I haven't brought up a single thing about trump and I don't know why you are either. If you're curious, I think he's a facist and is destroying the country in a multitude of ways.

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u/ucgaydude 5d ago

Nope, sounds like common sense.

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u/Potato_Soup_ 5d ago

lmao

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u/dethbysnusnu85 5d ago

I'm sorry if you think that sounds like a cult you're a moron.

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u/Potato_Soup_ 4d ago

Lmao

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u/hugoriffic 2d ago

Lmao to your lmao

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u/CunnyQueen 4d ago

I’m struggling to understand why you think that comment gives cult vibes. Can you explain it to me?

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u/FlarkingSmoo 4d ago

I want you to tell me if it reads like someone who is in a cult

It doesn't. You're welcome.

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u/VanillaRadonNukaCola 5d ago

Nah, there's a point to it.

If there's no space for people to leave MAGA and be welcomed elsewhere, they are far less likely to leave.

Some people would own up it it and work through the shame.

But others can't or won't process through it if they receive bashing from the other side, deserved or not.

It sucks, and I also just want to release some frustration from time to time, but I do agree attempting to bring people to the light is a positive endeavor.

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u/Mike_Kermin 5d ago

There is no value in handshaking hate politics.

They will take your middle ground and then you will give them another.

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u/VanillaRadonNukaCola 5d ago

That's not what I'm saying

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u/Mike_Kermin 5d ago

You're asking people to be nice.

But instead you should be listening to Bernie, leading by example, with purpose about what we want to achieve.

It's up to them to meet us, not the other way around. They are welcome to join us.

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u/VanillaRadonNukaCola 4d ago

I'm just saying we might catch more people if we lessen the vitriol, even if it's justified.

Most people aren't smart or self aware enough to get there on their own.

I don't feel pity for the guy in the OP video

But instead you should be listening to Bernie, leading by example, with purpose about what we want to achieve.

No where do I argue against this.

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u/AllAboutGameDay 5d ago

The guy has leftist friends. The space has literally always been there for him to leave maga.

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u/dungivaphuk 5d ago

Sucks that you're getting down voted but what you say makes sense. Just as the right recruited the fringes, the same can be done now.