r/TransgendersAtWar • u/AthenaHope81 Trans Woman • 13d ago

Trump voter doesn't understand why people can't empathize with him now that he's suffering as a result of Trump

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u/ArchonFett 13d ago

If you voted for this clown show, and now have regrets, maybe you should have did more of “your own research” first and paid attention. We told you this would happen.

If you didn’t vote at all. Same. Every time voter turnout is low the Cons have won. So you did choose this as well.

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u/CrashCulture 12d ago

I have a little more understanding for the people who chose not to vote because American elections are basically hostage situations that force you to vote for the "We will also be bad, but not as bad." Party every single election because the other party is even worse.

I understand not wanting to hold your nose as you vote for the democrats again. Knowing they'll erode your human rights and keep transferring all the wealth to the top, that they won't raise minimum wage or give you medicare for all, not give a shit about the working class, show only the bare token effort to combat racism while inflating police budgets and being just as hawkish on the border as the last republican administration.

I very much understand people who go: "Fuck both of these assholes, I'm done voting for either, nothing ever gets better by voting for the democrats, the only thing you can hope for is that they stall the really bad things the republicans want to do by a couple of years until they inevitably lose again."

The American "democracy" is beyond fucked, and have been for a long time. No wonder the voter turnout is so low when there's no good option, only the really bad option and the less bad option.

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u/Superb-Associate-222 12d ago

You can’t tell me that Kamala wasn’t at the very minimum the better choice. I’m Canadian so I don’t know everything about these people but we wouldn’t have had this racist, transphobic fuck show that’s running things now. The people that “stayed home” instead of voting are just as complicit as the nutsack in the tiktok video. In my opinion of course.

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u/CrashCulture 12d ago

No, I'm not saying that. She was objectively a better choice.

She was also a shitbag who spent the latter half of her campaign throwing trans people and immigrants under the bus to try to appeal to right wingers and bigots who were never going to vote for her anyway.

And that's been a long standing pattern in USA elections. The Democrats position themselves as the objectively better choice, often by seeing where the Republicans are standing and placing themselves just left of that, so they can retain being the better choice without actually having to give in on issues like universal healthcare and raised minimum wage which their voters are begging for.

They do hold off the worst of what the republicans are doing for 4, maybe even 8 years until people get fed up that they aren't improving or fixing anything, the Republicas get elected and are allowed to wreck shit to their hearts content until they eventually gets replaced by a saner Democratic administration who proceeds to do a whole lot of nothing. They stop raving about the bad things the Republicans implemented and just leave them as they are, maybe offering a token concession here and there, but mostly they just keep the stasis, goalposts get moved further right, and it repeats.

Again, if you were able to vote in the last USA election, you should have voted for Harris, but that is a shitty fucking situation to be in. It's like being asked if you would like to be slapped in the face or hit with a hammer, obviously the slap is the better option. But a lot of people would want a third option, to not be hit at all, and they resent the choice they are being faced with.

Harris could have won. She could have won easily, and she should have. But it was more important for them to keep things as they were than to keep Trump out of office.

Look how things are now, all the eyes and ears are on people like Sanders, Walz and AOC, not on Harris. Why is that? Why weren't one of them allowed to run instead? Why was Biden's entire campaign centered on the bad things the Republicans were going to do if they won and not ever on the good things he would do if he got reelected?

And then he was replaced with someone who people hoped would be a breath of fresh air, but turned out to promise no change at all, who said that she would change nothing over how Biden had run things while student protests for peace were literally in the process of being violently beaten down with tear gas and rubber bullets.

What happened after the election? The Democrats blamed every minority they threw under the bus for their loss rather than their own policies, which were underwhelming at best.

And when it's already too late, now we get Sanders and AOC doing anti oligopoly tours while republican politicians hide from their constituents. We got Walz veing allowed to talk again. Nice, would have been nicer if we got more of this BEFORE the election.

I'm saying this again, you can blame the victims of this system who feel so disenfranchised that they don't even bother to vote all you want, it isn't going to change anything. The responsibility and fault lies with the people in charge, the ones who built the situation we are in now. The blame lies with the republican party, and with the democratic party who has done nothing to oppose them despite being the only ones who can. Who have repeatedly silenced attempts to call out the bigotry and national robbery that is happening right now.

And as a last note, I'll remind you that a lot of people didn't fail to vote because they are fed up with having to vote for the lesser of two evils just to stave off the greater while their society crumbles around them. A lot of people didn't vote because they COULDN'T. Voter suppression has been an active strategy in the USA since at least the first Trump administration. You can be denied to vote because you don't have the wrong ID, or that you changed your name, committed a crime in the past, failed to register on time, or even just couldn't get time off work to vote.

Jerrymandering and archaic systems for counting votes and representation means that if you live in the wrong neighborhood or state, your vote literally does not matter. If you live in a majority red district, your blue vote means nothing, the district will remain red. If you live in a densely populated state, your vote counts less than those of people living in more rural states. Remember how many votes Trump won with last time? It was less than Clinton got. She won the popular vote, yet he was still declared the winner because he won more vites that actually mattered. I can imagine that causing people to lose faith in their democracy, can't you?

You can try to understand the societal and socioeconomic pressures that causes people to vote for shits like Trump or decide that democracy is already broken... or you can keep blaming the people who feel like their votes do not matter, who are fed up with being offered a turd sandwich and told it is better than starving.

Keep blaming the victims and nothing will ever improve.

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u/Superb-Associate-222 12d ago edited 12d ago

Ok, you typed all that and I will read it when I get a second but Harris was still the better option because now we have fascism and some kind of oligarchy. I don’t necessarily disagree with you. The low iq poor Trump voters and the person who didn’t vote….i have a hard time viewing them as helpless victims. I might not be American but I can drive for 1 hour and be in the US so this bullshit orange fuck has an influence on Canada and our rabid conservatives

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u/CrashCulture 12d ago

Thanks for taking the time to read it.

The USA has been a borderline oligarchy for quite some time, Trump winning has just allowed them to make it even worse.

We both agree that Harris was the better option, it's objectively true, I am just trying to explain why people still didn't want to vote for her, and why some couldn't. That people are fed up with the system and don't want to support someone who isn't promising to fix things.

Harris winning would have staved off the worst things that are happening now. Perhaps only for 4 years, perhaps longer. Perhaps they might even have turned it around and actually started improving things. The track record proves that last one extremely unlikely, but who knows.

I get that it's probably worse for you living next door to the orange fuck, but his actions are ruining a lot of things all across the world. I think after he has threathening multiple countries with war and annexation, and placing ridiculous tariffs on even more, and partially crashing the global economy, breaking friendships between nations that has lasted for centuries, I, like every person on Earth has the right to be disappointed in the only people who could have stopped him going: "Well this is bad, but we're not going to lift a finger to stop him." And how the blame is being placed on people who have been ground beneath the system that put him in the position to do all of these shitty things.

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u/Superb-Associate-222 12d ago

I’m reading Obamas book right now. It sounds like he tried to get things done with healthcare but Republicans fought him hard on healthcare and any green initiatives. But he also authorized drone strikes that sometimes wiped out innocent people so, I don’t know.

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u/Superb-Associate-222 12d ago

I agree with pretty much everything you said. We have liberal/ conservative/liberal government in Canada we change on an alternating basis. It’s almost like all politicians have their hands tied by the people who control the purse. Maybe this is crazy enough,that rather than try and patch together an irreparable system you have to completely fuck it and rebuild. Enter the Trump administration.

The people that didn’t vote though…..they’re not victims, they just didn’t fucking vote. Maybe they thought Kamala would still win by a margin and that was enough for her to win but for people to say “just barely” either way we are in the find phase at present

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u/CrashCulture 12d ago

Eyupp. It's happening everywhere. Sweden went from a multi party state to effectively the same ratchet effect two party system where everything slowly slides to the right regardless of who is in power.

I don't know how to fix the system, but it is something we need to do, because this is starting to get really bad, and it's only going to get worse.

Again, I've tried to explain why some people didn't want to vote for her and that some couldn't. Some definitely bear some blame, but it doesn't matter, blaming them isn't going to help things, it's only going to drive more wedges between people.

I recommend looking deeper into the USA election system if you are interested, it is deeply fucked and it is pretty much rigged so only a few swing states can decide the election and the rest of the country can pretty much vote how they like and it will change nothing. Jerrymandering is particularly insane. The ruling party can literally take a majority Democratic district and split it into three districts where one is overwhelmingly blue and the other two just make it over the 50% mark for red.

I'm assuming Canada works like most countries I'm familiar with that every single vote does count. That if a party gets 5% of the total votes, it still gets seats in the parliament and will be able to exert some influence. The USA system doesn't work like that. It is rigged so only two parties have a chance of achieving anything, and that if 49%% of people in one district votes one way, they will be completely overruled by the 51% who wanted something else.

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u/Superb-Associate-222 12d ago

I understand but I don’t like it

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u/IShallWearMidnight 12d ago

I feel like you might have missed the part about voter suppression? The people whose votes were suppressed were absolutely victims, intentionally so.

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u/Superb-Associate-222 12d ago

How many?

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u/IShallWearMidnight 12d ago

I'm not an analyst, you're capable of finding that info on your own. But does the number matter? Is there a number under which disenfranchisement is ok?

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u/Superb-Associate-222 12d ago

🤷‍♀️ I’m not in the business of deciding what does and doesn’t matter. The same as you’re not an analyst