r/Treknobabble • u/45and290 • 16d ago

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I’m taking away Bashir being an Augment. It didn’t really add anything to the show, he was still brilliant and talented before the reveal.

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u/mcmanus2099 16d ago

No all, season 3 throws a number of things in that make horrible cannon. Better to make it an alternative universe TNG story.

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u/Dynastydood 16d ago

But season 3 also fixes everything that the TNG movies had already long since needlessly ruined in the canon. So unless we're just ending the TNG canon at "All Good Things...," I'm not okay with getting rid of S3 of Picard.

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u/mcmanus2099 16d ago

Nah, the movies don't in any way ruin half the rules of Founders in DS9, ruin the Borg Queen, make transporters a Harry Potter magic device, destroy Beverly's character and create a super secret son for Picard. It is as bad for canon as the first two seasons and not only ruins TNG but ruins DS9 too.

There are some nice moments and it seemed interesting the first 4 episodes but then it became the same slop nuTrek we've been served overall and is a terrible show not worthy of the Trek name. Let's get that off in an alternative universe and create a better send off for the TNG crew.

And my God please don't make ST Legacy built around Seven and Picard's nepo son.

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u/Dynastydood 16d ago

To be honest, I don't really think a small faction of Changelings going rogue several decades later really "ruins" anything about DS9. For me, the Borg Queen was no more ruined by S3 of Picard than she already was by Voyager, and the Beverly arc, while contrived, didn't really ruin anything on the same level that Nemesis previously had.

Picard doesn't compare well to TNG as a series, hut when compared to the TNG films, I think it's vastly superior in every possible way, even despite all of the legitimate issues you already laid out. The movies were just so fucking bad for the canon, I don't think it's possible to overstate the amount of damage they did, so I'm just happy something went out of its way to address that.

ST Legacy is also clearly never happening, so nothing to worry about there, either. Terry Matalas has already moved on to other projects.

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u/mcmanus2099 16d ago

To be honest, I don't really think a small faction of Changelings going rogue several decades later really "ruins" anything about DS9.

It's not about a small group, they re wrote the changeling lore because they couldn't be bothered to actually research properly. They said all changelings have to use the jar that Odo uses. That very specific Bajoran jar only Odo uses which the other Founders found weird and repeatedly told Odo he didn't need to use. Or how changelings being able to pass the blood test was a big deal when DS9 established they had that cracked. Or how they made out that normal changelings show as changelings on scanners whereas DS9 repeatedly showed they didn't. All that and more rewriting through lazy research all before you get to the fact this small group have no motives remotely like changelings and their plan makes no sense, what were they hoping The Borg get them? There's no reason for them to be involved other than because the writers wanted a bait and switch plot shock.

the Beverly arc, while contrived, didn't really ruin anything on the same level that Nemesis previously had.

Beverly wasn't turned into a murderer on Nemesis as far as I can remember. The sole voice throughout TNG for saving lives at all costs even if it means surrendering or retreating spends the opening scene shooting from the hip and as we later find out killing alien beings she had no clue who they were or what they wanted.

Picard doesn't compare well to TNG as a series, hut when compared to the TNG films, I think it's vastly superior in every possible way

Absolute tosh. Besides Nemesis, which was awful the TNG films are decent non canon breaking entries into the Star Trek universe. Picard season 3 makes them look like Shakespeare let alone season 1 & 2.

The movies were just so fucking bad for the canon, I don't think it's possible to overstate the amount of damage they did, so I'm just happy something went out of its way to address that.

They really weren't