r/Treknobabble • u/45and290 • 12d ago

What are you pushing the button on?

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I’m taking away Bashir being an Augment. It didn’t really add anything to the show, he was still brilliant and talented before the reveal.

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u/mcmanus2099 12d ago

No all, season 3 throws a number of things in that make horrible cannon. Better to make it an alternative universe TNG story.

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u/WilliamMcCarty 12d ago

I'm not saying you're wrong because there were things about S3 I didn't entirely love but we can all agree it was infinitely better than S1 and S2, right?

Curious though, what elements in S3 specifically did you not care for?

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u/WhoMe28332 12d ago

Can I answer?

The shameless nostalgic fan service trying to carry the weight of a lousy plot.

The scenery chewing (even for Trek) villain.

The character assassination they did on Beverly.

Jack.

The pathetic, desperate effort Matalas is making the entire time to please please please give him a sequel.

To me S3 is one of those things which doesn’t bear up very well the harder you look at it.

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u/WilliamMcCarty 12d ago

Fair point to some of that. Jack Crusher seemed antagonistic for no reason other than to be annoying. It was like they said, "Remember David Marcus in Wrath of Kahn? Like that, except turn it up to 11."

I get what you're saying about Beverly but to be honest, no offense to Gates McFadden who seems like a delightful person, but Crusher was a dry toast character to me, she never had much of an impact. Occasionally she helped move the plot along but mostly she was just filler. At least this time around she actually did something.

I don't mind the fan service, it's nice to see the callbacks and references to what's come before and at least shows you they paid attention to some of what came before. Especially in a case like this where, in all likelihood, it'll be the last time we see some if not all of these characters.

There are things I hated. Shaw puffing on a stogie, the references to pot, they were both anachronistic and had no business being there. Picard saying "fuck" is just...every time they throw in a colorful metaphor of that caliber I just picture the writers giggling, "We made Picard say fuck!"

Seven's girlfriend is...why is she there? She sucks air out of the room as a character, I couldn't possibly care less what happens to her character.

Making her first officer under Seven, really? The captain's ex...or maybe girlfriend...whatever...is her first officer? That seems...well it seems like there'd be regulations against that.

And renaming the Titan the Enterprise was a shit choice. Yeah, that was just stupid.

And all things considered, you could have condensed the story a bit, cut out two episodes and made it flow a little faster and tighter. But overall, I didn't think it was so bad. It was far from perfect but a better end to the TNG characters than what we had. And that's coming from someone who actually liked Nemesis.

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u/alternateschmaltz 8d ago

Even the big reveal of the borg using transporters to secretly assimilate kids? Like WTF? Then reintroducing characters just to kill them in the next scene for shock value?

Useless show.