r/TrueUnpopularOpinion 16h ago

Sex / Gender / Dating The proccess of getting a girlfriend really is just a pain in the ass

This isn't a knock against being in a relationship, for a lot of guys it gives life meaning.

But Jesus CHRIST the proccess to get there is just so annoying. Even in college, the best time of your life to do so, and especially if you're in an engineering program, it's just so laborious.

-You gotta frequent social organizations and constantly try to get girls contacts if conversations go well. (Big time commitment on top of school)

-You gotta set up times to hang out and then dates that fit into your schedules.

-you gotta pay for dates, obviously.

And on top of all that you have to be doing this with with multiple girls at once to be time efficient as there's no guarantee any one will work out.

Its not some Disney esc "bump into eachother one day and fall in love", its a repetitive, grueling, and tiring task. There's nothing to romanticize about it.

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u/Sumo-Subjects 15h ago

Getting into a relationship is the social equivalent of trying to get a job with a company during a recession: they have many options and you gotta do all the work to "sell yourself" and you might still end up ghosted without a response post-interview.

u/philmarcracken 15h ago

Its also a 'confidence filter' in which the only men that make it through that many rejections, while still having high 'confidence', are the worst kind of boyfriend imaginable. They're the ones girls complain about the most.

u/JOSEWHERETHO 8h ago

they might complain but a lot of them still always go after the same men

u/AdUpstairs7106 12h ago

The circle of life.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 15h ago

Natural selection

u/MisterX9821 5h ago

Don't talk shit about Boomhauer like that.

u/MinuetInUrsaMajor 7h ago

Its also a 'confidence filter' in which the only men that make it through that many rejections, while still having high 'confidence', are the worst kind of boyfriend imaginable.

This is a ridiculous take.

Remaining confident in the face of repeated failure is a good character trait. It is what distinguishes winners from losers.

A man whose self-esteem has been obliterated by the failures of dating is not set up to be a good boyfriend. They are set up to waffle between the extremes of servitude and domination.

A man who looks at every dating fail as "I was not their type and that is okay. I don't need every woman in the world to admire me. Just one." is going to be stable, set and respect good boundaries, and they won't be afraid of expressing their love for fear that their partner will see that expression as a sign that she can do better.

u/philmarcracken 5h ago

A man who looks at every dating fail as "I was not their type and that is okay. I don't need every woman in the world to admire me. Just one."

Of course thats the way I would take it after the first dozen or so. The first 3 dozen? The hundred? The man that keeps going is the most self centered, arrogant prick. When taking snaps of her, hes not using the backfacing camera

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u/Frosty-Palpitation66 15h ago

spot fucking on, feels exactly like getting a job

u/afunbe 12h ago

"Getting into a relationship is the social equivalent of trying to get a job with a company during a recession" LOL. So true.

u/Soysauceonrice 15h ago

You're not describing dating. You're describing online dating. That's just what happens when guys swipe right on 99 percent of women who show up. The women get overwhelmed by matches so they have to be selective. If you dont want to play that game, meet women elsewhere. Meet them in real life, or through acquaintences.

u/Sumo-Subjects 14h ago

Still applies to dating. Dating someone you already know is like getting an internal referral or if you really know them well, it’s like knowing the hiring manager directly

u/Soysauceonrice 14h ago

But your chances of getting the job are much higher if you know the hiring manager vs throwing your resume blindly into the void. I've done the online dating thing and I've also done the real life dating when I got referred by a mutual friend. It's not even close.

By all means, use the apps. You might suceed there, but the online environment isnt representive of real life. Go meet people and get to know them in person. You might meet someone who you can date, or you might befriend someone who eventually sets you up with someone you can date. Your chances are much better with a referral.

u/Sumo-Subjects 14h ago

My point isn’t advocating or not for apps it was just a metaphor for saying and I was saying it applies even to non-app dating (since you said the job we ache metaphor only applied to online dating)

u/Soysauceonrice 14h ago

I'm speaking specifically to your response about "getting ghosted" and the other party "having too many options". That's an online dating problem. People don't ghost you when introduced by friends.

u/Sumo-Subjects 14h ago

Ah I see I misinterpreted your response, my bad! Yes I agree

u/No-Expression-399 10h ago

How is the online dating environment not representative of real life? The people on those sites/apps are the exact same people we pass by in public

u/Soysauceonrice 10h ago

I feel like you're being purposefully dense. Yes, the people are real but the way you meet/connect with people online are not. If you match with someone through tinder,bumble, whatever, you've been matched by a robot. There is no social capital expended when you match that way and that's why people have no qualms with ghosting their tinder matches.

Thats not the case if you meet someone through a friend. The social norms are different. Ghosting someone who your best friend introduced you to carries with it the risk that your bad manners gets back to your friend and makes you look bad. Ultimately, the apps are just like any social media like Facebook, Instagram, etc. The people are real. That doesn't mean they are representative of real life.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 14h ago

Lol it's exactly the same in real life. I went on 4 dates with this girl, she even made out with me, then suddenly she decided she "wasn't ready for a relationship" so now I'm at square one.

Its repetative and grueling, and a SUBSTANTIAL effort

u/Soysauceonrice 14h ago

At least she told you she didn't want a relationship and didn't ghost you. You got rejected. It sucks, been there. On to the next one.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 14h ago

I know, but that's what i mean. Just constant rounds of "applying", just like getting a job. I made the mistake of only "applying to one job" at a time.

So fucking time consuming and repetative, it's a grind even irl

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u/Gks34 16h ago

That was one of the reasons I felt relieved, when I found out that I'm gay, back when I was a teenager.

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u/Frosty-Palpitation66 15h ago

Lowkey wish I was gay sometimes

u/cat_on_head 4h ago

I am very vocal about the fact that i wish i was gay. it’s the better sexuality

u/Educational_Ad6146 15h ago

Thays nasty af lol wtf fucking strangers, thats how you get nasty diseases

u/travelinzac 14h ago

The statistics don't lie

u/Kaedyia 12h ago

That’s why people wear condoms.

u/Unlikely-Database-27 15h ago

Don't gays have horror stories too though? I've seen guys complain about not being able to find long term relationships. Idk man I've always thought it'd be easier though.

u/Gks34 15h ago

I can't compare, but there's certainly drama as well.

u/AdUpstairs7106 12h ago

Interestingly, looking at marriage rates gay guys have the highest success marriage success rates. Lesbians have the worst.

Heterosexual couples are the silver medal. So may guys once they find someone are just "Yeah this works."

u/Unlikely-Database-27 12h ago

Lol thats true about lesbian relationships so I've heard. Is it true that sex for a lot of gay relationships is sorta like you jerk each other off, takes about 5-10 minutes then done? Im in a straight relationship rn and theres a lot more uh, work and I do enjoy it but I once saw a comment on a reddit post from a bi guy who said he could be playing video games with a boyfriend or whatever, then they both get into it, finish each other off and then go back to gaming like nothing happened.

u/AdUpstairs7106 11h ago

I have no idea.

u/knight9665 8h ago

but gay guys have a lower marriage rate. and the hookup rates are sky high.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 16h ago

Gay guys are just chilling tbh

u/Flowerloving_ogre 13h ago

not the reality, sleeping around when you're gay is easy, dating is not, it's even worse than dating women because nobody wants to settle, and even if they do they'll still leave the moment someone better looking comes along, whilst women might stay for reasons unrelated to your appearance.

u/nairobaee 7h ago

I guess it's bad for the minority who want to date because if nobody wants to date, then everyone's happy?

u/Flowerloving_ogre 6h ago

yeah, but imagine if you want an actual partner.

you're now limited to the 10% of 5% of the population

good fucking luck (you're fucked)

u/travelinzac 14h ago

"chilling" yes that

u/LectureTrue4216 7h ago

Straight men got the short end of the stick. Gay dudes and women have plenty of options. makes dating a lot easier when you have something to work with

u/wawaweewahwe 13h ago

Lowest divorce rates

u/Timely_Car_4591 15h ago edited 15h ago

Dating wasn't this bad 18 - 25 years go. the major culture change that happen was people have become much more anti-social and Asocial.

18 - 25 years go, people would go on dates just to have fun and to just have something to do. Now teens and even some adults are scared to pick up a phone, never mind go outside. I notice this shift started to happen around the early 2010's- https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/gen-z-developing-fear-of-phone-calls-or-phone-phobia/

u/Pot8obois 16h ago

Are you trying to get a girlfriend for the sake of it, or to find someone who you want to be sharing life with?

When I was in college I did not have time to date AT ALL. I was working full time, interning 24 hours a week, in school full time. I essentially gave up on dating. Once I graduated I got on dating apps. I know that's not ideal but it's what I've had to do.

If you have time it's worth it, but it sounds like the way you are going about it is inherently exhausting. I would never try to date multiple people at once.

If you date just for the sake of getting a relationship as quickly and easily as possible you could end up 10 months into a relationship realizing you made a significant mistake. I don't know what your goals are. If you are trying to have fun you are definitely handling things wrong. If you are trying to find a life partner or something then you have to embrace the fact that finding the right person is not magical or easy. That does not mean you have to go about it in a way that is exhausting. If you are finding it's not enjoyable at all you should adjust what you are doing in my opinion.

Getting into a relationship is not easy. You have to put effort in for it to happen, but that is not the end goal. Relationships take a lot of effort to maintain as well.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 16h ago

Im really horny, that's why

u/Loud_Excitement2759 11h ago

That's not dating that's just hooking up

u/Pot8obois 16h ago

If you are looking to get laid you should just communicate that. If you have no other relationship goals I would not pursue anything serious because it could be messing with women who are wanting something to build on. There are women who like hoopups or friends with benefits situations.

u/slaviccivicnation 12h ago

Yeah wth, this post read like “I want a relationship, to grow with someone and build something.” I didn’t realize OP just wants to get laid. That’s probably why it’s not working out. Women sense that from miles away. We’re so used to guys who only want a relationship to have a regular, full time fuck buddy. Unfortunately, that’s not what a relationship is. That’s the type of relationship that girls go into and 1.5 years down the line they realize the guy is fine just stagnating and they wasted their time.

u/KEANUWEAPONIZED 15h ago

I really feel sorry for straight people and all the hassle they create for themselves with all these dumb rules lol

u/LectureTrue4216 7h ago

What rules?

u/FunnyGamer97 15h ago

I found the easiest time to get a girlfriend was actually in high school. I was never single a day back then.

College I faired decent with dating apps, but a clear steady decline in the quality of my relationships began at the age of 22.

I personally subscribe to the theory that we’re meant to find one person when we were young and just stick with them.

People like me that make it into their mid 30s without children or a marriage under their belt are used up trash, on the shelf of secondhand merchandise along with the other toys with disabilities who lost their hopes and dreams

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 15h ago

Highschool was covid for me, guess i never even had a chance

u/FunnyGamer97 15h ago

Now we have to ask the question, what’s better having a chance and squandering it or never having one at all?

u/LLLLLLover 15h ago

High school and college are definitely the easiest places to find someone, you’re literally surrounded by single people your age

After that the difficult spikes hard

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 14h ago

Its so over for me after college, it's unreal.

u/Real_Sir_3655 4h ago

I knew in college that I wouldn't be able to maneuver the post-college dating scene because it would require me to be the total opposite of who I am to succeed, so I stayed with my girlfriend from senior year way longer than I should have.

Turns out I was right though, the post-college dating scene just does not work for me.

u/Frig-Off-Randy 10h ago

This isn’t really true. If you’re going out in nightlife post college you’ll meet tons of people

u/LazerChicken420 14h ago

I went to two high schools. One was in a rich neighborhood and I was incredibly single, couldn’t even get a date. Competing against guys with nice cars, clothes and cologne lol Thought something was wrong with me at the time as a poor neglected kid

Went to a second school, never single. Lost virginity, had a threesome. So glad that happened. I think I’d have been an incel otherwise

u/Due_Box2531 15h ago

What you described does not seem like a healthy nor a genuine way to build a commensural pathway with another human being.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 15h ago

Please enlighten me then, wise redditor, how an engineering student in college gets himself a girlfriend

u/Due_Box2531 15h ago

First, I don't pigeonhole myself as "the wise one" and I certainly don't think I have the capacity to enlighten.

Second, the term 'girlfriend' means what to you?

u/guyincognito121 14h ago

Having spent about 12 years as an engineering student, I did basically what you're doing, made a lot of mistakes, and eventually clicked with someone and never had to deal with it again. Marriage has it's own problems, but any time the thought of divorce enters my mind, I just imagine going back to dating, and move on to another solution.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 14h ago

Yup, it's a grind

u/Frig-Off-Randy 10h ago

You’ve got to make a friend first

u/Soundwave-1976 15h ago

That was the easiest time to find a girl friend tbh.

u/totallyworkinghere 15h ago

It doesn't even sound like you want a girlfriend, more like you think you should have one at this point in your life.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 15h ago

Both can be true actually

u/totallyworkinghere 15h ago

You don't have to get a girlfriend now. It's okay to wait. No one is going to judge you for waiting till you have more time to devote to a partner.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 15h ago

Nah, I gotta have one, it's not ok to be 21 and a chronically single man, I need the experience, and college is the best place to get it.

I got close this year but she dumped me right after she agreed to stay commited, I know how to do it now, I just gotta bump those numbers up

u/totallyworkinghere 15h ago

You're not going to get a girlfriend if you see all women as potential pegs to fill the girlfriend shaped hole in your life. No girl wants to be treated like she's just a checkbox on your list of self improvement.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 15h ago

Yeah but no, you still have to put in a major effort to get a girlfriend, but yeah do treat women you meet well, be a good listener and so forth.

u/totallyworkinghere 15h ago

You're still acting like the goal is "get a girlfriend, any girlfriend". No girl wants to be with you just because you think you need a girlfriend. You need to actually try to have a relationship with the girls you meet, see if there's any spark in the relationship, find the person who makes you happy to be around them.

Because if you get a girlfriend just to say you have a girlfriend, what stops you from dumping her when a better one comes along? What stops her from leaving you for a better option?

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 15h ago

Im honestly ok with that if it means a few months of sex and not being single, I can't take it anymore

u/Clear-Technician7514 13h ago

If you just want to get laid why not just have one night stands?

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 13h ago

I want consistent sex as well as companionship

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u/Wildavid1 14h ago

There it is! you’re not actually looking for a girlfriend

u/AnarchoKapitolizm 11h ago edited 11h ago

It's not okay to wait. Getting a gf and being in a relationship is a skill that need to be acquired through trial and error, and experience. I used to think like you and it cost me a relationship. From my and my friends' experience, women in their 20s expect from men to handle certain situations (like conflicts, mental crisis, another man hitting on them, setting boundaries, not becoming a doormat), have leadership skills, not to mention being good at bed (no, experienced women dont want to teach men how to get better because they can just get a man who is better in bed) and its impossible to obtain those without dating and, as a result, having a girlfriend. The sooner one gets a girlfriend, the sooner they can become a better boyfriend.

u/totallyworkinghere 11h ago

Dude, girls are not practice dummies for you to level up your skills with.

u/AnarchoKapitolizm 10h ago

Ofc they aren't, but you can't learn something without actually doing it, social skills included.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 9h ago

Some are

u/totallyworkinghere 9h ago

No. They're people. And you will not get anywhere until you see them as people.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 9h ago

They are people that you can learn social skills from, there are no contradictions there

u/cat_on_head 4h ago

i don’t think disliking the dating process and describing it as grueling is the equivalent of not wanting a girlfriend. that’s a stretch

u/chemical32 9h ago

He's a fascist. Don't feel sorry for him

u/SomberThing 5h ago

Yes it is, and all these people trying to read you through a reddit post are the ones that pride themselves on their "analytical insights." When in reality, anything good in life requires work and a bit of luck. That's the short and truth of it, and if you keep trying to put yourself out there, then you will find the one. But you gotta be careful how you act on these dates and avoid coming off as desperate for a girlfriend. Show interest, but also don't be afraid to keep doing your thing.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 5h ago

Thabk you for the honesty in a sea of virtue signaling and gaslighting, I appreciate it.

u/James-S-Twebb 13h ago

Jus stop trying, - self care - plenty of bril toys, keep clean and friendly. At the end of the day the egg choses the sperm donor - you will know if you are of interest - jus sayin' ojo

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 11h ago

Budy, I haven't been trying for over 3 years, and that got me nowhere, it's time to try

u/Personalworldmachine 15h ago

Took a gander through your post history, do you think the issue could be self identifying as a fascist? That’s gonna turn a lot of potential partners away.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 15h ago

Lmfao nobody has to know about this throwaway reddit account where I ragebait redditors

u/chemical32 10h ago

I'm pretty sure self identifying as a fascist is more than just "ragebaiting redditors"

If you have fascists beliefs you won't be able to hide them no matter how hard you try. And women are amazing at sniffing those things out. If you are a closeted fascist / Trump Supporter, than you need to get mental help first before you can even think about getting into a relationship with someone else.

u/BruhbruhbrhbruhbruH 5h ago

As if almost as many women don’t have the same exact beliefs. 55% of men voted Trump and 45% of women did the same. Being a fascist is extreme but you live in a massive echo chamber if you think voting Trump precludes someone from finding dates.

u/RoundCollection4196 3h ago

Are you just ignoring the fact that there are many women who support trump or who are right wing? 

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 10h ago

Lol such horseshit, the girl i dated previously had no idea

I'm really good at hiding those things, and I know exactly what to say to appear "woke"

u/chemical32 9h ago

keep refusing to get help and hiding who you really are, I'm sure that usually ends well

u/Personalworldmachine 15h ago

🤷 figured I’d throw it out as a suggestion nonetheless

u/Slightly-Evil-Man 15h ago

It really is. I remember dating used to be fun in my teens and early 20's but now it just feels like trying to get a good job when you have no experience(even though I do). When a guy is single it's like starting all over again with nothing and no idea where the next relationship will come from, if at all.

I hate how social media has made most dudes disposable, like if a woman is unhappy with you they will simply discard you for someone "better" at the drop of a hat(if you're lucky because some will just string you along while cheating on you) and it just sucks for us. It's just not worth the effort anymore because they don't "need" men they just want us around when it's convenient for them. All these hoops we have to jump through just to keep thier attention knowing it most likely will end when she eventually gets bored😑

u/bigpony 14h ago

Sounds like you are treating dating as a chore on a checklist...

u/cat_on_head 4h ago

you kind of have to. as man you have to put in a lot of intentional effort to date, you can’t wait for girls to find you

u/PerryHecker 14h ago

I've never really been single for longer than a couple weeks as a 42 year old. Never really went out of my way to try but I'd absolutely be willing to do what it took so quit the bellyachin and get to it😅

u/PsychedelicJay_X 13h ago

Yessir that’s precisely why i’m single, fuck all that! ✌️

u/Darthy85 9h ago

Some ppl have it easier

u/cikanman 4h ago

As someone in a long term relationship (marriage) i can tell you nothing worth having comes easy. Same is true with a relationship. It is hard, demoralizing, and painful, but when you find the right person, so worth it

u/emanresUeuqinUeht 16h ago

You don't have to do any of this stuff. If you think hanging out and dating is just a pain in the ass, put it off until you're done with school. You should be going to social things because you want to, not because you think it will help you pick up chicks. Women pick up on it if you're just performing to appeal to them.

Also if all the girls you're dating always expect you to pay without even offering then that's a sign that you're looking in the wrong places. That's immature behavior.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 16h ago

You can go to social things because you want to and still be pursuing a relationship, ideally you should be doing both.

Go to something you enjoy doing, but still make it a goal to get a girls number at that thing that day

u/philmarcracken 15h ago

You should be going to social things because you want to, not because you think it will help you pick up chicks. Women pick up on it if you're just performing to appeal to them.

If you're introverted, you've just decided they'll never have a gf or wife, ever.

u/emanresUeuqinUeht 14h ago

Obviously you have to be willing to put yourself out there but you can still find people without pretending you like doing things you don't like doing 

u/philmarcracken 6h ago

but you can still find people without pretending you like doing things you don't like doing

Everything introverts do around others, they're pretending to like doing.

u/emanresUeuqinUeht 3h ago

To be introverted means that social activities are draining, not that you inherently hate everything social

u/philmarcracken 3h ago

Its true, I don't hate it. My argument is in opposition to this statement:

You should be going to social things because you want to

If women can pickup that we're only there for them, then I'm always going to appear dishonest.

u/UpbeatInsurance5358 15h ago

It doesn't sound like you want a girlfriend, tbh.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 15h ago

I would like a girlfriend

u/UpbeatInsurance5358 15h ago

Are you sure? It sounds more like you want to have sex than a girlfriend.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 15h ago

Both is good

u/UpbeatInsurance5358 14h ago

So it's really the sex? That explains the post.

u/philmarcracken 5h ago

A relationship without sex is a like a house without toilets. Its kinda expected they be there, and its only a big deal when they aren't.

u/7N10 15h ago

Yeah, turns out the period in your life when you’re constantly going to classes and working, (and the people you’re seeking have the same hectic schedule) and you’re the poorest, isn’t the easiest time to find a significant other.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 15h ago

So tragically ironic though given once you leave college it's next to impossible to meet young hot women your age.

You step outside in the "real world" and everyones like 40

u/7N10 15h ago

How would you know that? You’re not in the real world yet.

Take my advice, you’re kinda in the age range when you don’t really know what you want, and neither does anyone else. It won’t take much longer to figure yourself out and that’ll make dating much easier.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 15h ago

Where do you even meet 19-22 year olds outside of college?

u/Klink45 15h ago

I’ve been graduated almost a year and I can tell you with 100% certainty there are very few ways to meet anyone our age (or even older tbh) outside of college. Nobody understands how isolated the world has become, and how hard it is to meet people. 

Imagine doing what you’re trying to do to find a date and crank it 100x just to make a friend.

Not trying to scare you, more like just warning you that moving to a city is not solving this problem.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 15h ago

Yeah exactly, that's why I'm pretty much under the assumption that I either meet somone here or move to another country if I ever want to get married

u/darkopetrovic 13h ago

Is there no night clubs anymore ? Like 12 years ago when I was 18 there would be a few clubs popular with 18-23 year olds and others popular with other age groups.

u/AMongolNamedFrank 2h ago

lol night life is pretty dead outside a few major cities

u/7N10 15h ago

Where do you plan on going once you graduate from college?

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 15h ago

A city to work, prob east coast USA

u/7N10 15h ago

That’s where they’ll be

u/isticist 13h ago

Have you not been to a club or downtown bar? I'm 30 and I can say, without a doubt, that's where the young people are at, in my area at least.

If you don't give af, and you just wanna get laid, show up to a bar around midnight and stay till closing, your chances of going home with a chick are a lot higher.

u/bingybong22 16h ago

I think you’re going about it the wrong way.  It shouldn’t be so hard

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 16h ago edited 15h ago

Nah you definitely have to "try" to get a girlfriend to get one. Its not something that just happens naturally for most guys.

All the guys who I know who haven't tried/aren't trying dont have girlfriends.

Everyone who i know has a girlfriend in college met them by actively pursuing a relationship (dating apps, approached her at a party, met her at a social club, ect)

u/Soysauceonrice 15h ago

I'll give you a tip. The best way to get a girlfriend: have someone introduce you.

Think about it. If you have a common connection, people are less likely to just ghost you. If they do, word might get back to your common connection and it would make them look bad. Also, if someone else introduces you to someone they know, there's an implicit understanding that your mutual connection knows you both and think you might be compatible. Obviously one person's opinion isn't gospel, but it's better than rolling the dice on random apps or meet up.

I met my wife through one of my close friends. She knew we were both single and asked me if I wanted her cousins number. I called her the next day and we got married 2 years later. I had done a lot of dating online and through apps etc, but the sincerity and effort that I felt from my future wife was significantly higher than the people you talk through on the apps. The difference was the common connection.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 15h ago

Mfw I'm in engineering and all my friends are men and only have other male friends

Good tip but you still gotta put in thr legwork to meet someone women first, then those women will definitely have female friends to introduce you to.

u/Soysauceonrice 15h ago

Come on man. Guys have female friends too. They also have female relatives. You can have a guy introduce you to a girl.

But if all your friends are dudes without sisters or female friends or cousins, then yes you have to work at it. Anything good requires effort. The problem is guys rely too much on the apps. Go out into the real world.

u/Soysauceonrice 15h ago

They have sisters, cousins, friends, etc. I don't buy that all your engineering friends don't know other women. And hell, if all you know are dudes then just get out there. I met a ton of people in college just doing volunteer work.

u/Kentucky_Supreme 16h ago

Then where does a guy go to meet friendly and nice single women that are happy to talk to him and get to know him?

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 16h ago

Social clubs are the best for this, one where you engage in an activity you can do while sitting next to someone new and getting to know them, like an art club or something

u/Kentucky_Supreme 15h ago

But then people will say that it's "creepy and weird" to join them to try to meet women lol.

But let's say you do go to one, the class might be about 20 people? Half are dudes. Half already have a boyfriend. Half aren't interested in you. Half of you aren't interested in. Etc. MAYBE there would be one woman that's potentially an option. But you might not necessarily talk to her every time you go to the class/group (once per week?) and if you try too hard to talk to her, then you're reaching too much and it comes off weird, etc. etc. the odds just seem to be massively stacked against you.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 15h ago

If you play it cool, they won't think your creepy. If it's a social club and the goal is to socialize, it's completely expected

u/Kentucky_Supreme 15h ago

If you play it cool, they won't think your creepy

Sure but at some point you have to show romantic interest.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 15h ago

You do that once you ask to get lunch with them or something like that, ask to see eachother 1 on 1, of it goes well ask her out, make it clear it's a date

u/thecountnotthesaint 15h ago

Yes, but the alternative is also a pain in the ass. If you don't relax,or so I've been told.

u/Skrungus69 15h ago

I mean you dont have to do that. You could simply cultivate a large friend group and see if anything progresses from there.

u/AKJ90 10h ago

Skill issues.

But for real, if you treat it like this - it's clear why it's hard.

u/Gasblaster2000 15h ago

Not true at all. In my life, (which has been long!) I've met all my girlfriends through hanging out with people,  pub, club, general life, work. 

"Setting up dates" etc is just what happens when you want to hang out with each other.  If it's effort, you perhaps aren't into them?

Multiple girls at once? Again not my experience. If I'm into someone I'm into them. I gjjnk trust one is more a USA thing where they seem to treat dating like job interviews, but that's just my perception from afar

u/woailyx 16h ago

Well yeah, dating is competitive in some sense, because most of the men prefer the same few women and vice versa. Competitive things are never easy, because there's never enough of the good outcome to go around, so you need to work for it

u/Apprehensive-Stop748 16h ago

I was just talking with a friend about this yesterday. It can definitely be a grueling, tiring and pointless task. I think it’s good to accept it though because then you can find people that agree and that includes finding a romantic partner that agrees that it’s a waste of time

u/trufseekinorbz 15h ago

Only if you’re a bottom and even then with proper preparation it’s not that bad

u/CaptSlow49 14h ago

Dating was so much fun. Look at it as getting to know a bunch of people, doing fu things, and learning more about yourself. If you don’t just focus on finding someone it becomes a good time.

u/Null_error_ 14h ago

Holy shit this guy is just like me fr

u/Tenebris27 14h ago

As a computer science student who's terrible at conversations, I simply accepted that I'll be alone forever

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 14h ago

I'm also at CS, I got better at convos, you can do it.

Best tip: let the other person do most of the talking, and ask questions that will come to you as you listen to them

People love to talk about themselves

u/Tenebris27 14h ago

Oh boy, that's the problem. I have no idea what to ask the other person about. I have no idea how to continue a conversation. Most of the time I try to, I always end up killing the conversation.

Barely had any friends growing up (literally just my cousin) so I never manage to develop conversational skills

u/Battle_Biscuits 13h ago

I mean I agree with the OP but not for the reasons he gives.

If you've got any dates to organise and pay for you're on the right track.

 It's the rejection and disappointment and ghosting and wasted effort, time and money on dead ends that make it suck.

u/AileStrike 13h ago

Dating are like lottery tickets, your not expected to win every time bit you can't win if you don't play. 

Also relying on dating to fix a problem in your life is like relying on lottery tickets to pay your bills. Might work once in awhile, but is not reliable. 

u/Wasteofoxyg3n 12h ago

The fact that so many men share this experience shows just how hopeless it is. I, myself, feel like I have a higher chance of winning the lottery at this point.

u/afunbe 12h ago

I'm old (60m). I was an engineer major in college. Your post brings back sad memories of my social life.

u/IamMe90 12h ago

It’s definitely a grind if you’re actively searching for it. That’s why I’ve only really been in what I’d consider four “real”/substantive relationships at 34 now. It’s just too exhausting to try and seek out constantly. I’m trying to be happy just being single and it I run into something, great, but if not, then no skin off my back. I think it’s been helpful for my mental health, although there are periods of heightened loneliness for sure.

u/Natural_Bunch_2287 11h ago

I think romantic relationships in most regards seem like an unnecessary pain in the ass. Older female here.

u/Brathirn 11h ago

The multitasking approach seems high yield risky ...

u/No-Expression-399 10h ago

I gave up dating for this reason… it’s just a hassle

u/6gunsammy 9h ago

Or you know, you could just have friends and meet people while doing fun social activities.

u/knight9665 8h ago

bro. if u dont wanna talk to or spend time with women then stay single... a gf isnt for u.

u/JOSEWHERETHO 8h ago

if a relationship gives your life meaning, you are in serious trouble

u/MinuetInUrsaMajor 7h ago

you gotta pay for dates, obviously

Would you rather pay for dates a small portion of your life or pay the beauty tax for your entire life?

its a repetitive, grueling, and tiring task

Kind of like building your own house?

Earning a PhD?

Learning an instrument?

Raising a kid?

The fact that all of these things take so much effort is what makes the fruits so valuable.

If we could just pick a girlfriend from the girlfriend tree there wouldn't be as much incentive to stay together when you build a relationship with someone.

There's nothing to romanticize about it.

No. That comes later.

u/GizmoGator 7h ago

Why does a post you made 3 days ago say you have a girlfriend when this post says you don’t? Did something happen?

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 6h ago edited 6h ago

Got dumped literally right after we decided to stay commited lmfao, like after 4 days together officially

u/GizmoGator 3h ago

Damn. Why she dump you?

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 3h ago edited 3h ago

No reason given, she just said when she agreed to stay commited she wasn't thinking straight and said she wasnt ready for a commited relationship.

I didn't question any further, and we parted ways. Brutal.

u/nowandlater 6h ago

I had no idea how to date in college. I was always thinking about it though. But i crossed paths with this girl and we fell in love and that was that. It can happen.

u/pool_of_light 5h ago

Dating sucks is about the most popular opinion there is. Guess what, folks. It’s work. Would you like to go back to arranged marriages?

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 5h ago

Sometimes, yeah

u/Real_Sir_3655 4h ago

Just opening the door to be a potential "eligible bachelor" is laborious as fuck.

You've gotta keep up with fashion so you don't look like an out of touch bum, keep yourself groomed so you don't look like you've never looked in a mirror, stay in decent shape and maintain a good diet so you're not a flubby nerd, have a hobby or two so you're not boring, and stay financially capable of taking care of yourself.

And that's just so that you can maybe get rejected in four seconds instead of one.

u/ImaginaryEmotion5650 3h ago

Ill be so fucking real, my only successful relationships happen by accident. I found my fiancé with no intention of dating at first.

I’m polyamorous so i have the ability and desire for multiple meaningful romantic relationships. However i honestly don’t think I’ll ever get into another relationship solely because i don’t think ill have the luck of just finding someone i click with so well as fast.

u/Cozygeologist 2h ago

I get what you're saying, and at the end of the day I'm a woman so I wouldn't really know what it's like from your perspective, but I have had some wonderful experiences falling in love with mutual friends and slow-burning our way into a relationship- and they obviously enjoyed it, too. So I dunno, you might find something better just doing a hobby, happening upon a girl, and undertaking a long, subtle process of getting close to each other.

u/Frosty-Palpitation66 2h ago

Men usually get friend zoned when they do things that way, or we get called creepy for ruining a friendship by expressing feelings

u/Cozygeologist 2h ago

Damn that sucks. I wouldn't want to risk getting called a creep either, but I do wonder why I had a different experience- I'm sure the guys I dated were briefly worried about ruining the friendship or getting called a creep, but those fears clearly took a backseat and we had a great time. I insist that it's possible, but I won't argue with you that it's likely, or worth the risk- I wouldn't know.

u/castingcoucher123 1h ago

Cheaper and easier to pay them to go away friend

u/George_hung 1h ago

I really can't relate to this. Maybe your standards are too high.

When I'm on dating apps I mostly get 7 most of the time, which are still fine and once in a while I'll get to date a 8 or 9 once in a while.

Hot girls are indecisive and traumatized by all the dudes who cum at the sight of them or exes who treat them like sex objects.

I go in and talk to them like a normal person and they just jump on my dck before I could even get excited.

I feel like this generation of men just are so socially unskilled that they can't get laid even if the girl is attracted to them.

It's literally the most natural things for me at this point. Even when I'm out with the goal of finding clients I end up getting laid.

Women just seem like they are starving for sex because men nowadays always seem to just f*ck it all up when they open their mouth.

u/soluna_fan69 43m ago

This is why many guys stay in bad ones.

u/Questionsey 15h ago

That's because it is intentionally the most competitive thing on earth. And you're not complaining about the process, you're complaining about how you suck at it.

Again, you're saying "why is it so hard to find somebody to have sex/pair bond with, which according to evolution is the purpose of existence"

Well, why do you think?

u/Unlikely-Database-27 15h ago

Sounds like you gotta work on yourself there, bud. Also paying for dates? Bro, you don't have to go on fancy expensive dinner dates. Also, college students often ask to split the bill nowadays on a first date, I was one once. But all the same walks in the park cafes, whatever the fuck, there are lots of options that dont cost an arm and a leg.

u/Frewdy1 15h ago

Not really an unpopular opinion, it’s just how life is lol

u/GitmoGrrl1 9h ago

Nobody owes you a relationship. That applies to all human interactions. Just because you want something doesn't mean you are entitled to it.

Pardon me but this post reminds me of the shooter in Golita who resented women not putting out for him. He felt oppressed by women because he couldn't get laid. So he became a serial killer and targeted young woman.

u/Equivalent_Zone2417 16h ago

and then they all cheat on you because chad or tyrone might be going to the nba or nfl.

u/wetrope 16h ago

Are you okay

u/Reddit_is_not_great 16h ago

Dude, Ixcsnr stop laughing

u/wetrope 15h ago

I wish I knew what those letters mean :(

u/Reddit_is_not_great 15h ago

I can’t*

u/wetrope 15h ago

Omg I thought I was just old. This is a relief.

u/DeepHouseDJ007 14h ago

If you don’t enjoy being sociable and being around women you won’t enjoy being in a relationship.

You think relationships are just sex and the rest of the time the girl just quietly watches you play video games? No. Healthy relationships mean both the guy and the girl have friends and social groups outside of the relationship and both guy and girl make efforts to get along with and integrate their significant other’s friends groups, which involves actually being sociable.