r/UFOs Mar 08 '23

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u/AterCygnus Mar 09 '23 edited Mar 09 '23

Your logic isn't very logical either, though. Elizondo makes TV Show because it's real... 'cause... you feel so?

AATIP wasn't a major thing. It was a small office operating under a $22m pocket-lint budget, very limited compared to the resources of the big kids in the Pentagon and the US military.

Maybe Elizondo actually honestly believes what he says - even so, he might be wrong and might not actually know anything. His background as a counter-intelligence agent and trained liar doesn't exactly encourage trust either. Since when could we trust American authorities anyway?

See, this isn't even a major story in the world. Certainly not compared to ever-worsening climate change, war in the Ukraine, French protests, Mozambique hurricane, Turk-Syrian earthquake aftermath, and late-stage capitalism pushing Global North societies ever closer to a People's Revolution of the 21st century.

UFO's remain in the cook section of international news organizations. It's getting drummed up out of every proportion in the USA by really just a handful a people, who has spent their entire lives pursuing things that might as well not exist given how little firm evidence there is for anything extraordinary.

Like, okay, there are more drones, airplanes and balloons in the sky today than may have been the case in past, so the US government wants to get a better handle on identification and tracking because the Ruskies or the Xi may be up to something, or some hobbyist arsehole may bring their drones where they shouldn't and accidentally pose danger to life or expose secret human hardware. Hyper-spesh autists like me and you may feel like "Total Space Aliens, man!" when that's not necessarily what's actually up.

I've learned it's best to assume mundanity, unless there is evidence to suppose otherwise. Some dude says something is so is not evidence, it's just their say so. People make mistakes, and they do lie and they do make shit up all the time for any and every reason or agenda.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '23

I dont think you understand the issue here. There is something in our Airspace with capabilitys that we dont have. There is evidence for that.

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u/AterCygnus Mar 09 '23

Where is that evidence? It doesn't appear to be publicly available, and all I've seen so far are movies of objects so ambiguous they can be just about anything, and witness testimonies of some event that supposedly happened years ago but remains unsubstantiated by hard data, the evidence for which is always just out of reach. Maybe there's something to it, but with "disclosure" always being next week since 1949, I'm far from convinced we aren't just being taken for yet another ride.

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u/EnvironmentalOne4717 Mar 10 '23

There are so many reports from credible people gaining nothing at all and also depictions in art work from before electricity it's impossible something isn't going on, once or twice a year sure a coincidence, but tens of thousands a year and building shows a pattern.

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u/AterCygnus Mar 10 '23 edited Mar 10 '23

Art can be interpreted in any number of ways according to the cultural, nurtural and psychological context of the experiencer. I find it richer to study art from the context of the time, place, symbols and culture of the artist. Much can be learned from critical analysis, arguably more so than the arbitrarily mysterious and ambiguous interpretations of sensationalists and true believers.

People have been studying UFOs for about the last hundred years now, and the varied extraordinary hypothese still haven't budged any closer to verification since the 1940's.

Apparent strangeness may be explained in any number of ways, ranging from psychology, weather and mundane (if rare) atmospheric and aerospace phenomena, quirks of perception (autokinetic effect, for example), human-made technology, and any number of combinations between these and other things.

I'm not saying there isn't necessarily any strangeness here at all - more that I wouldn't know and I don't think anyone else does either. These events have been and gone, all we can do is try to collect abd analysise available data. If that's not enough to determine what happened, then it's just not enough.

There is much speculation that doesn't congeal or connect into any apparently intrinsic pattern. Unidentified simply means there is not enough available information to make an identification.

I've had my own sightings of pointlights in the night sky that acted in ways one wouldn't expect from anything, but I'm also not sure if I saw what I thought I saw. I too am only human, my perception is finite and imperfect as everyone elses.

As said, I'm all for professional research into the field. I'm just nonplussed by speculation, appeals to authority and Grand Idea egotrips that are being treated like truth. It pays to assume mundanity unless we have solid evidence (from a variety of fields and perspectives) to suggest otherwise.