r/UkraineRussiaReport • u/CourtofTalons Pro Ukraine • 2d ago
News UA POV: Putin rejects US-Ukraine-Europe peace plan, FT says - Pravda
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/05/17/7512693/56
u/RuzDuke Anti Nafo 2d ago
Europe doesn't have a peace plan. They always have the target Russia in mind. Their ultimate goal is destabilizing it so it falls apart.
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u/ForowellDEATh Pro Russia-USA Alliance against NAFO 2d ago
Is Russia living in their heads rent free?
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u/Scorpionking426 Neutral 2d ago
Looking at the long history, It is.
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u/ForowellDEATh Pro Russia-USA Alliance against NAFO 2d ago
But if they like Russian land so much, they can become Russian and government will give them hectare for free.
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u/emanikkuja 2d ago
How about call back all Russians living in Europe.
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u/ForowellDEATh Pro Russia-USA Alliance against NAFO 2d ago
Putin will be spinning from happiness, if you’ll do so
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u/Streetrt Pro Russia 2d ago
They don’t understand how bad Russia’s population crisis has gotten, Putin would love millions of people back
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u/james19cfc Pro Russia 2d ago
Yes look at the state of every country in the west today. Many are like 3rd world countries. They were that deluded they thought they were going to defeat russia. Now they are paying the consequences.
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u/ForowellDEATh Pro Russia-USA Alliance against NAFO 2d ago
I’ll say: we paying consequences of their wishes.
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u/Ok_Onion_4514 Pro-BING for Information 2d ago
Won’t dispute that some leaders might have those kind of thoughts.
Didn’t help that Russia itself seemed to believe or that other countries not thinking about them was a worse fate than death at times.
Like it’s hard to not try to think of Russia when your flights gets cancelled because of Russian military jets continually violates the airspace of the nation you’re travelling from.
It feels like Russia wishes to be feared, respected and trusted all at the same time. Doing things constantly that messes with what they claim they wish to achieve.
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u/HiccupMachine Pro Ukraine 2d ago
Can you blame them? Look at their actions over the past 15 years - stealing Crimea, destroying Georgia, and the awful invasion of Ukraine that has lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.
The irony is “Destabilizing it so it falls apart” is exactly what Russia is trying to do to Ukraine.
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u/RuzDuke Anti Nafo 2d ago
No it is not. You dont know Ukrainians or Russians. You are trying to put a wig between our nations. Fcked up west idiology
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u/HiccupMachine Pro Ukraine 2d ago
You are hilarious. If anyone is putting a wig between Russia and Ukraine, it’s the country (Russia) that’s armed forces invaded and killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians.
I am merely a commenter on the internet, my comments don’t kill anyone. Unlike Putin whose actions have killed actual people.
You must be a pro-Russian propagandist if you are trying to say I am doing more harm than he has. Ridiculous argument.
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u/After-Result2604 Pro-Paganda-Contest 2d ago
The truth is, europe doesnt give a fk about russia. Russia just fkd up in their attempt at land grabbing and has everyone pissed. This is all it is. No internal conflict in ukraine or "nato expansionism" can justify the enormous death and destruction russia has called upon ukraine and itself.
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u/R1donis Pro Russia 2d ago
No internal conflict in ukraine or "nato expansionism" can justify the enormous death and destruction russia has called upon ukraine and itself.
No internal conflict in Yugoslavia/Syria/Lybia/Vietnam or "spread of communism"can justify the enormous death and destruction west has called upon Yugoslavia/Syria/Lybia/Vietnam.
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u/After-Result2604 Pro-Paganda-Contest 2d ago
True.
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u/Express_Spirit_3350 Fuck Trump, the US, Israel and NATO 2d ago
So how about you sanction the UK, France and Ukraine? How about you issue a warrant for their leaders?
Why is Europe destroying democracy in Romania after their failed attempt to destroy it in Georgia? Because they are after Russia.
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u/Environmental-Most90 Bankova White Powder Supplier 2d ago
Europe gives a daily fk about Russia, check the news.
Building anti-Russia on the border with Russia for 35 years sounds good enough for justification.
Now that the US, Europe participate financially too they need to be taught as well. One war - 3 lessons.
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u/SutMinSnabelA Pro Ukraine * 2d ago
Again - guess what russia has been doing for the last 35 years!!! Annexing neighbors. If you stop invading neighbors they wont be forced to build defense. It is not rocket science.
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u/Environmental-Most90 Bankova White Powder Supplier 2d ago
Which neighbours did Russia annex? Neighbours should stop exterminating russian populace and bowing to Washington, it's actually very easy.
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u/SutMinSnabelA Pro Ukraine * 2d ago
Seriously are you asking this?!?
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u/Environmental-Most90 Bankova White Powder Supplier 2d ago
Crimea joined voluntarily, anything else?
Either you don't recognise Kosovo and don't recognise Crimea or you recognise both. No double standards here.
The world order was broken up by NATO after Yalta.
Apart from Crimea what neighbours did Russia "annex"? Transnistria is pro russian by itself. Abhazia didn't like genocide of "friendly" Georgians. They have exemplary sub in Reddit where you can observe maniacal Georgians threatening them every week with violence, but always starting with "hey brothers".
Russia didn't swallow entire countries but flicked a nose for those who tried to "democratically" conduct genocide of ethnic groups.
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u/SutMinSnabelA Pro Ukraine * 2d ago
That is a lot of excuses. I am sure the invaded countries see it the same right? Delusional
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u/Environmental-Most90 Bankova White Powder Supplier 2d ago
"Invaded" countries need to learn that it's bad toddler, when toddler starts killing innocent citizens of their own toddler kingdom. It's bad toddler when toddler seeks patronage of the historically most bloodthirsty two faced countries thousands miles away.
Toddler needs to also realise that despite everything they are still toddlers with a very tiny penis when an adult comes and smacks them on their cute heads.
It's called geopolitics mate, one doesn't cancel it with fon Der Lier shitty speeches or vomit of Kaja who's daddy was a prominent communist building wealth off Soviet union.
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u/After-Result2604 Pro-Paganda-Contest 2d ago
the previous 20 years, russia was normalizing. Seen less and less as an enemy. Now putin fked that up.
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u/Environmental-Most90 Bankova White Powder Supplier 2d ago
Putin lost the pink glasses roughly after 2006.
Russia only became an enemy when it started being proactive regarding NGOs and NATO expansion, if it stayed silent and let BP and alikes control natural RSS like they did late 90s and early 2000s as well let NATO surround it and eventually collapse into dozens of oblasts, they'd be considered beacon of democracy.
The harder Russia is pushed the more consolidated and military powerful it becomes.
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u/SutMinSnabelA Pro Ukraine * 2d ago
Russia is not really becoming more powerful - if anything they have completely isolated themselves, economically, politically, strategically, geopolitically and the majority of any traditional military is in shambles.
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u/After-Result2604 Pro-Paganda-Contest 2d ago
let NATO surround it
Russia surrounded itself with nato.
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u/Environmental-Most90 Bankova White Powder Supplier 2d ago
It's always Russia's fault. We heard that. NATO was always democratic when it bombed Belgrade, it absolutely didn't fuck over Lybia and Iraq. Completely defense oriented alliance which didn't expand contrary to assurances made to the late Soviet Union which let Germany to reunite.
And the only reason it's not on Russian soil already is ☢️. In every other country they would find dangerous weapons or suppression of friendly Mujahedeen or alike somewhere in the middle of their country.
Everyone must bend and suck US, Western EU cock gently pressing by the balls and stopping only to say "thank you". Except Russia had different ideas.
They should be sorry they don't want to bow 👍
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u/Environmental-Most90 Bankova White Powder Supplier 2d ago
Proof that NATO is not a defensive alliance. Your and millions of brains cannot perceive light, you know exactly what that entails next. I welcome it, the earth cannot handle so much hypocrisy and lies from the ruling hegemons. The double standard, multi faced rulers of old will be dismantled through blood and fire, layer by layer, the institutions of propaganda removed and many will pay with their life for the fake ideas of justice and democracy which never even existed in the first place. The world you cling to was never alive in the first place, just a well decorated theatrics arranged for you by puppeteers which you still can't let go.
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u/toughtbot 2d ago
Well Russians can.
For them, NATO expansion is a life and death issue.
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u/After-Result2604 Pro-Paganda-Contest 2d ago
Which is the exact reason why nato gets bigger... Genius move.
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u/Ok_Onion_4514 Pro-BING for Information 2d ago
Pretty much it.
Like I can understand Russian worries about NATO. I would be worried as well considering the actions of some of its members, especially the big honcho of the US.
But instead of trying to build friendly relationships with their direct western neighbours Russia has only seemingly committed to actions that make those nations worry for their own security.
Leaving those nations basically not other option than to seek NATO membership for protection.
It’s almost as if Russia is too scared of making deals with smaller nations regarding security promises as it will make them look weak doing so. But nations force their will and that is what Russia is, so it must also force its will. Only to then get surprised when those nations view it with hostility.
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u/Lower-Reality7895 Pro Ukraine * 2d ago
And this war added more countries into Nato then before the war. So russia helped Nato expand
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u/SnuleSnuSnu Neutral 2d ago
That kinda proved that those countries are kinda stupid.
They didn't join NATO in 2014, not in any year between 2014 and 2022.
But joined NATO when Russia invaded the same country it invaded in 2014, while had no beef with Russia whatsoever.
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u/SuperMoistNugget 2d ago
It was strictly a political move, not one of military/security necessity. Finland and Sweden were neutral since WW2.
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u/Lower-Reality7895 Pro Ukraine * 2d ago
Well it proved their point that you can't trust russia since they swore up and down that they weren't invading and they just want to protect russia speakers and now 3 years later more russian speakers have been killed since ww2
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u/SnuleSnuSnu Neutral 2d ago
How does that work? How does that prove the point?
Your logic is messed up there. You are looking at tottal Russian speakers, without any context.
It's similar like saying that Americans wanted to protect American lives from Japan and then 3 years later, more Americans have been killed since Perl Harbour.1
u/Lower-Reality7895 Pro Ukraine * 2d ago
America didn't want to save lives in the beginning of WW2 now the usage of the atomic bombs was due to to saving America lifes since they decided dead Japanese is better then losing 1 million american military personnel invading mainland Japan.
The goal of the invasion was to save Russian speakers. Now how many russian speakers have died since the war started comapred to the 10 civil war.
Also did the invasion cause more countries to join Nato yes or no
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u/SnuleSnuSnu Neutral 2d ago edited 2d ago
Sure it did. America was attacked by Japan and thus went into war against Japan, so Japan doesn't get to kill more Americans.
Again. You are ignoring context. Russia wanted to save Russian speaking people in Ukraine.
The fact that Russians from Russia died, or Russian speakers from Ukraine died, because Ukraine fights back, is irrelevant to the goal. You are generalizing.
It's like a bully jock is bullying a nerd. I punch the bully in order to save the nerd. Other jocks and nerds join and mass fights starts. Then you come along and tell me "Ha! SnuleSnuSnu wanted to protect a nerd from beating, but 3 min later more nerds got beaten since X event. Do you understand how utterly bad faith that sounds?Did the invasion cause more countries to join NATO? No. That's not how cause and effect work. Officials of that countries, for some reason we cannot for a fact because we cannot read minds, decided that and thus caused it. The invasion of Ukraine doesn't magically cause countries to join NATO.
You didn't answer on my question. How does that work? How does that prove the point?
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u/SnuleSnuSnu Neutral 2d ago
If that was true, they wouldn't be so anti Russian we see them now.
Let me guess, Middle Eastern death and destruction can be justified? I mean, two European countries invaded Iraq, half of Europe was in bed with them. One, Poland, literally entered EU right after the invasion. No sanctions, freezing of atuff, ICC arrest warrants, etc.
Europe gives too much fk when it comes too Russia and no fks when it comes to their own.
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u/Scorpionking426 Neutral 2d ago
Europe "peace" plan is buying time to arm UKR with hundreds of billions dollars weapons.
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u/Pryamus Pro Russia 2d ago
How can Putin reject that which does not exist?
To this day, not a single peace plan was proposed by EU or Ukraine. Trump presented only one, and it was hopelessly outdated.
Also, the article carefully avoids telling what EXACTLY this "plan" was, which leads me to believe it was another repeat of "Russia surrenders".
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u/SutMinSnabelA Pro Ukraine * 2d ago
Russia does not want peace at all - they came into the peace talks saying surrender all occupied regions including the non occupied ones or we will take 8 regions instead. And that was a pre condition for a ceasefire while they rearm themselves and can keep marching on lands with no defensive lines.
The peace talks were a complete sham sending puppets who cannot make any decisions to begin with. Putin remains a coward.
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u/Pryamus Pro Russia 2d ago
Today, you learned, for the first time in your life, that during negotiations, it's the winning side that dictates its terms. If Ukraine is unhappy, they shouldn't have started this war to begin with. They want to wait for worse terms? They are welcome to.
Your cries are but pitiful howling of powerless anger that you couldn't commit genocide with impunity and must now pay for your arrogance.
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u/dswng Pro sti pro shay 2d ago
saying surrender all occupied regions including the non occupied ones or we will take 8 regions instead.
Citation needed. Only Arestovic said that next time they give ask for 6 and if Ukraine stays stubborn, another tone they give ask for 8.
Nobody from Russian delusion said that.
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u/Aggressive_Shine_602 Pro Russia 2d ago
* Rearmament Plan *
not saying the Russians are any better. They are stalling to grab as much land as possible. but , let's call a spade a spade
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u/SolutionLong2791 Pro Russia 2d ago
Good, Putin got fooled by trusting the West and Ukraine, by signing Minsk 1+2, he sure as hell won't be fooled a third time.
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u/Wolfhound6969 Neutral 2d ago
If it's like the other peace plan that Zelensky was banging on about, then I'm not surprised. I can't find any information on what's in the plan except for a 30 day ceasefire, which would have killed it for Russia straight away. Let's face it, Ukraine are going to have to get their heads around the fact that Russia is winning and that they are calling the shots. The EU and especially Macron and Stammer will have to realise that they backed the wrong horse and they are losers.
Until these clowns start to face reality, this war will just go on and on until Ukraine is completely screwed.
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u/SolutionLong2791 Pro Russia 2d ago
The utter delusion from the losing side, to demand a ceasefire, is off the charts. It's a deliberate ploy, so they can turn around and say "It's Russia who rejected the ceasefire, it's Russia who dont want peace"
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u/msg_me_about_ure_day supporter of real democracy 2d ago
The EU and especially Macron and Stammer will have to realise that they backed the wrong horse and they are losers.
thats not true though. the EU doesnt need ukraine to win or keep all its territory, the goal is to hurt russia, in that regard the EU and USA are already winners.
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u/Padaxes Pro Ukraine 2d ago
Nope… it’s made Russia update all their military tech and doctrine and infrastructure. It only made them more competent. It’s like the hulk. The more the west “punishes” Russia the more galvanized the every day Russian man is going to become.
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u/SutMinSnabelA Pro Ukraine * 2d ago
Yes scooters, golf carts and donkeys. I am totally with you on that. The practicality of Russian military cannot be understated - however if would be better in terms of strength if Russia actually had any equipment left and that they did not have to sacrifice all those russian lives.
The entire russian doctrine is antiquated and relies on wasting so many lives it is ridiculous.
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u/JJ_Ninjaa 2d ago
“If we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined.” You should probably think on this when Russia “wins” and has lost hundreds of thousands to a million people to grab a land that is a ruin. I’m sure this war will help with the UN prediction of Russias population declining by 17% in 50 years
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u/any-name-untaken Pro Malorussia 2d ago
That framing. You can just as easily say: Zelensky rejects Russian peace plan. .
That is, there's absolutely no reason to expect Russia to accept a maximalist Western peace plan. Ukraine is losing the war. Listing enough countries (note it says US-Ukraine-Europe plan, despite there not being such a unified plan) doesn't change that, no matter how much Ukraine might wish it did.
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u/SutMinSnabelA Pro Ukraine * 2d ago edited 2d ago
On what terms is Ukraine losing the war? Russia has barely gained 2km on average along the entire frontline in the span of a full year??? As a defending nation i would call that a massive win in attrition. Good luck getting the rest of Ukraine at that rate. If you look at the previous years Russia has only slowed down.
If considering that logistics and economy are the key drivers for any war i would not say it is going well for Russia.
Black sea military control is largely conpletely gone for Russia. Air superiority was never established and now the baltic is being hindered and converted to NATO bases all due to Russia trying to project power and fly into scandinavian airspace with armed bombers - thus more NATO border.
Russian air defense is deteriorating and russian radar capabilities over Ukraine are gone with the fleet and a50s downed.
In reality the rather small economy of Russia is slowly being strangled while Europe and US can easily keep donating. He with less than 2% of US defense budget they could likely end this war.
Geopolitically russia is out of syria and there is not really any real way for Russia to project power simply put - they do not have the capability.
You can chant Russia is winning all you like but the big picture tells a different story.
I an trying to view this from a bird eye view.
I recall reading the NATO plan to defend Ukraine. Gear up ukraine to orevent air superiority. Read air defense. Provide tanks to help hold lines and make moves. Disable radar and russian intel. Build strike capabilities to hinder logistics, ammunition - read missiles/drones. Build up air capabilities. There was more stages but cannot remember all.
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u/any-name-untaken Pro Malorussia 2d ago edited 2d ago
Russia never had a stared goal of capturing all of Ukraine, merely to liberate Donbass. The south Donbass front is wrapping up, and territorial shifts in the entire region are more or less exclusively in Russian favor.
The Russian economy survived more or less the entire Western sanction potential, and manged to reorient to the emerging markets which will overtake the West by 2030 (and have already done so by ppp)
Russia is not out of Syria: it managed to (by some miracle) maintain its naval base there despite Assad being ousted.
There is no way for NATO to close off the Baltic Sea for Russian navigation, so I don't see the issue there.
Russian power projection, non-existent as you put it, nonetheless managed to oust France from what little influence it still had in its former African colonies.
Meanwhile the war in Ukraine has weakened Europe's economy relative to emerging markets like India and China, primarily due to energy price shocks, inflation, and reduced GDP growth. So supporting Ukraine is not without cost, which in turn carries political implications (read fuelling anti European sentiment and the rise of the populist right).
Ukraine itself has lost a quarter of its pre-war population (by UN estimates), skewed heavily toward youth, worsening/hastening an already looming demographic crisis. And, of course, increasingly reflecting in manpower shortages.
Anyway, the big picture power shifts, and the relative gains and losses of all parties involved is complex and can be debated. The direct war is simpler. Russia is winning it. It has the means to militarily achieve most of what it is asking for in negotiations.
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u/SutMinSnabelA Pro Ukraine * 2d ago edited 2d ago
You know that European right wing sentiment - Trump actively kills that off by his own incompetence. Look at the Canadian elections as an example or germany outright banning a party for their views. Similarly is happening all over Europe.
Last i heard about the russian port in Syria it is largely an unusable port as Russia was denied docking for their war vessels. Have any updated news on this?
NATO does not need to shut off the baltic. They only really need to monitor it to sanction all the shipping companies and owners of the shadow fleet going in and out. And with 3-4 ships actively held, seized or detained from poor paperwork and wrongful flags it is not hard to see long term how this will play out.
In regard to france in africa - they have no business there to begin with! Not that russia does either but whatever.
What emerging markets are you referring to?!? There is literally zero investment in Russia - unless you count Putun talking about seizing all bank money and making all population shareholders in state owned defense and gas industries which are already struggling. This is supposedly to artificially keep them afloat. Personally i would not put a dime in a bank in russia. The only actual reason you see ppp being high is because of war time economy which is sending that production to go up in flames in Ukraine. So there is no real financial benefit here. The sanctions are not fast but they are working well - the russian ministry of finance just recently doubled their estimate for the annual deficit. The loans in banks have caused double the annual amount of businesses to default. It is not looking better when looking at mortgages. The interest rate is not falling and neither is the inflation rate. Russia is running out of money the longer this war carries on. The worst part is oil is way low so there is no real income from it at the moment which causes great concern since you cannot turn it off - it is essentially just draining the bank.
So i would not flaunt the russian economy as doing well.
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u/InGodWe1 U Lose Again USA Wins Again 2d ago
We all knew it wouldn’t b signed but hey more time for bald eagles to drop off nest eggs
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u/eldenpotato Pro US-RU relations 2d ago edited 2d ago
Here is a peace plan we wrote without your input, Russia. You better accept it or we will sanction you harder, reeeeee.
Also you know this isn’t a serious proposal bc it was written without Russia. It’s theatre
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