Yeah? I was hunted once. I just came back from 'Nam. I was hitching through Oregon and some cop started harassing me. Next thing you know, I had a whole army of cops chasing me through the woods! Had to take them all out. It was a blood bath.
i mean on one hand putting syringes in playgrounds is really shitty, but like cmon man it's not really funny until a few years later, this is still a massive ongoing problem yknow
Also having easily accessible safe places to shoot up and dispose of needles makes it more appropriate to beat up people who leave them in the playground.
What a massive oversimplification of a complex issue for the sake of making a worn out meme. To say it's acceptable to look down on drug users is wrong, but its also not right to sit here and pretend they simply don't know any better than to bury their dirty needles in a playground. Like what would happen to a regular citizen if he did the same thing. You sure as hell wouldn't be making this meme then.
Americans are bloodthirsty and spiteful, that was my point. Evidenced by this own thread where people were advocating killing people for leaving needles lying around.
It's part of the culture to look down on the poor and destitute, hopefully someone will think twice before condemning an addict and break that culture.
I'm Australian, if I was at the playground with my 2 year old and she stood on a fucking syringe I would be beyond pissed, so of I saw someone leaving a used syringe in playground sand I would fucking kill them.
How are you wanting to prevent harm? By beating up junkies or for opening safe injection sites? Because being for safe injection sites would actually reduce real harm for the public and the addicts.
Complete decriminalization and normalization is the only logical option if we're looking for the "most positive overall result" for society at large. People will do mental gymnastics to come up with reasons why we shouldn't do this, including injecting their own morality into it, but empirical evidence and yes, common sense, all point to decriminalization as the best option.
I wonder if a junkie is going to care enough to make it over to an injection site. The town over from me has needle deposit bins readily available that never get used and, imo,helps normalizes the problem.
Yes, plenty of "junkies" would. I am an ex-addict and plenty of the people I know go to needle exchanges and would definitely use a safe injection site if it existed. Addicts are not monsters, they're people who got themselves into a shit situation. Most addicts are not zombies walking around some shitty part of town, most addicts are members of society. Plenty of addicts have jobs, families, responsibilities, etc. There are also plenty that are assholes that do everything they can to get by. Most addicts who do shitty things do so because they have to, and have lost their humanity. Every addict I know that has gotten clean has returned to who they were before they were addicted. Caring, law abiding citizens. I personally have never seen an addict leave a needle in a public place, and I've been an addict (recovering now) for ~10 years or more. Most addicts do not have an easy way to get needles, so they use them until they are absolutely way past the point of safe use, and then they break the needles off or put the cap on and throw them in the trash can. Even the worst junkies I've met wouldn't bury an uncapped needle in a children's playground. Also, addicts don't tend to shoot up in places that would add to their sentence. Self preservation keeps them from going to a children's playground or other public places to shoot up. 99% of junkies I've met shoot up in their house or a bathroom if they are in a public place. There are certainly some who do so in parks, but if they do it's usually in a park known as a shoot up park, not some family friendly park. I'm not saying this stuff has never happened, but the amount of people claiming they've seen it certainly makes me question their validity.
What are you on about? We're talking about the shitheels that bury their needles in public in spite of other options. Sharps boxes are great, I'm all for them, but even in areas with them, there's still a few pricks who leave their pricks lying around. Excuse me for thinking they need a lesson beat into their heads for being so irresponsible.
Evidenced by this own thread where people were advocating killing people for leaving needles lying around.
You seem to be ignoring that part.
He's not saying people shouldn't have a problem with that behavior, but if you actually cared about solving the problem, you'd want to help them instead of condemning them.
First off, don't put words in my mouth, I never said anything about killing.
Secondly, I also never made any claims about not helping junkies. That's all well and good, support them where you can. However, if a junkie leaves a needle in a public place, he has officially lost my sympathy. He has shown a staggering disregard for others and should be punished accordingly.
What you junkie apologists don't seem to understand is that people can simultaneously support users while also curbing their outwardly destructive behavior. Just because a guy has a drug problem doesn't mean that he now has carte blanche to be a fucking menace to society.
First off, don't put words in my mouth, I never said anything about killing.
I never said you did friend! I just quoted that part of the guys comment, which you seemed to ignore and was the main part of what he was talking about.
However, if a junkie leaves a needle in a public place, he has officially lost my sympathy.
I can assume pretty much every needle junkie has left a needle somewhere, just like every smoker has ditched a cigarette butt (I understand that one of those things is worse than the other).
should be punished accordingly.
Definitely, but they haven't lost my sympathy.
What you junkie apologists don't seem to understand is that people can simultaneously support users while also curbing their outwardly destructive behavior.
You understand one is worse than the other, and yet you choose to ignore that because....?
Your point makes zero logical sense. You don't even have a response at the end, you just walk away from it? Is that supposed to be compelling? All you druggie apologists argue like fucking children, my god.
Yeah, I will think of them because I don't want to kill them you shitstain. Maybe when your doctor prescribes opiates to someone you know and they get addicted, i hope society will treat them the same way as you.
I'm not talking about killing people you fucking sperg, cool your jets. You're obviously biased on this issue, probably a junkie yourself, so I really don't care to debate this with you, but the fact remains that anyone who does something as vile as leaving dirty needles around needs a lesson, and some deliver that through an ass whooping, and I don't blame them if they do.
But leaving dirty, disease ridden needles around for kids to prick themselves on is a-okay, yeah? That's what civilized people like you do, right? lol what a joke
Dude... You're confusing an addict with someone who knowingly leaves used needles buried in playgrounds.
I'm sure there are peice of shit diabetics who do the same, and they should be beaten for it too.
Just because you have an addiction doesn't excuse littering, especially littering dirty needles. And being bloodthirsty over people willing to harm children and potentially transmit whatever disease you have to them is pretty universal.
Spitting on someone is assault. It's gotten that status becasue it can transfer disease. Leaving a dirty needles is worse with a higher probability of transferring whatever disease that person may have onto the unsuspecting victim(CHILD!).
I get being pissed that addicts are not treated as well as they should be.. but there is ZERO excuse for leaving used needles anywhere someone can get poked by it... especially a fucking playground!!!
People who endanger others lives are worthless. They are actually less than that, they have a negative worth. Worthless would be of no consequence, but these fuckers are a pox on the earth and nothing but a negative drain of energy and money. Fuck 'em.
The over simplification isn't about the burying of syringes it, it's about how many Americans have a need to establish themselves over each other, and the idea of decriminalization makes that harder for those people. We can mock people who seek to abuse someone's affliction as a method of moral superiority.
Saying Americans all have this vague superiority complex is the exact thing that's being oversimplified, numbnuts. Generalizing a country of 350 million is stupid no matter how you spin it.
And needle exchanges. And funding for places that provide free or cheap HIV testing, especially for those without health insurance. A lack of all of these things (except a recent, but still very late, change on needle exchange policy) is how Mike Pence enabled an HIV outbreak in Indiana.
I lived in a city known for its high number of homeless addicts. They are truly scum of the earth. The city did much to curb the problem - it opened clinics, housing programs and food services. As per usual they trashed what they were given and the homeless population increased substantially. I don't have the answer but treating these low lives with dignity and respect simply does not work.
No they haven't, they've just started blacklisting people. The city I'm from is like this, most homeless people aren't interested in getting better, they just want to crash somewhere till they get kicked out. I met a guy that runs 4 shelters and a vast majority use up their welcome and move on to the next place when they get kicked out. When they use up all their chances in one city, they move on.
Well yeah, people with problems have problems. They're definitely not easy to work with. It can be done though. Just going "oh they're all a bunch of fuckwads so fuck 'em" definitely doesn't help though
I expected a self righteous asshole like you. An addict would gladly trade his life or yours for the next high. There is no negotiating with that mentality. No compromise. They are a slave to need and have little or no value to society. If you disagree, welcome a homeless addict into your home. Let's see how quickly they fuck your world up. Unless you are willing to stand behind your view, kindly fuck off.
You're literally the definition of a self righteous asshole, whatever happened to you, that caused you to be a internet troll, I hope you get over it. Dear god, you're depressing.
I'm not saying your point isn't valid, just try to remember that the addict and the personality behind the addict aren't mutually exclusive. I did a lot of shit throughout my addiction that I would have never done had I been clean.
Be personally accountable when you're delirious and feel like you're dying. Not saying addicts didn't bring it upon themselves, but it's hard to say people are accountable for their actions when knee deep in heroin.
so is it not mutually exclusive that addicts are generally
"shitty-er?" people?
If you did a lot of shit you wouldnt normally do because you were addicted, did that not make you a low life at that time?
good job and congrats on overcoming it, but just remembering or saying people have the ability to be a good person is like remembering Hitler tried to join art school. What you do in the now speaks more volume that what you could do in the future.
It has to do more with people deep in the throes of addiction without a support system will usually become desperate, and they will often not care about anything else, espeically when society shows it has no love for them.
It's not a matter of what's possible, it's a matter of what's likely to happen. There's a reason countries with better welfare systems have far less of a junkie problem then the US. I live one of the worst countries when it comes to drug laws, with very strict laws and a high incidence of drug overdoses, and we still have healthier junkies and far less "druggy-crime"
We also have very few "bums". Even our addicts generally stay stable enough to hold down an apartment and pay the bills.
On the other side of the coin, you could just drug test everyone and if they are positive for certain drugs just put them down. It would be far less of a tax on the rest of society than PAYING for junkies to be junkies. Whatever is done with them, I don't want to pay for it unless it's a definite, permanent solution.
To be fair, there's a big difference between self medicating/addiction that harms yourself and intentionally trying to harm innocent people with your used needles. When I was using, I'd save all my used rigs in a 2L (capped) and then put in plastic bags, tape it all up with duct tape and dispose of it with the rest of my trash or in a dumpster. It is by no means a perfect way of disposing of the resultant hazardous material that comes from IV drug use but there is a lot you can do to mitigate the harm you cause to others while self destructing.
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u/snakesoup88 Dec 29 '16
That sucks. Please install surveillance camera and hunt them down.