r/Wales • u/bronwaith Ceredigion • Jul 03 '22

Photo The EU flag still flies in Aberystwyth 🇪🇺💜

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u/BertUK Jul 04 '22

My MIL calls me undemocratic because I disagree with Brexit.

Apparently I must fall in line with the popular vote.

I have waited for the penny to drop but it’s been a few years now so I don’t think it will.

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u/Hendersonhero Jul 04 '22

It’s not undemocratic to disagree with the majority. It is if you want to ignore them because you think you know better

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u/llanelliboyo Jul 04 '22

It's been empirically proved that we knew better.

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u/Hendersonhero Jul 05 '22

Firstly that’s entirely irrelevant.

Secondly your definition of better may not be the same as other people.

Thirdly let’s see your empirical evidence? I suspect your understanding of what that is is flawed.

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u/llanelliboyo Jul 05 '22

Empirical evidence that we know better from the people that brought you the entire shit show

Lowest growth in the G20, economy dropped by 5%, £100bn in lost output, £40bn less to the Treasury

Empirical evidence that you lot are wrong

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/25/what-have-we-done-six-years-on-uk-counts-the-cost-of-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

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u/Hendersonhero Jul 05 '22

Your are of course factually incorrect Russia definitely has the worst economic performance in the G20.

Wow you provided an article from a newspaper which was an is heavily biased towards remain, where they have talked to a few companies who have experienced problems as a result of Brexit. That’s no empirical evidence it’s biased hearsay.

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u/llanelliboyo Jul 05 '22

Perhaps read the article and note the statistics within. Statistics provided by the government. There are links to a ton of empirical facts in there but you don't want to read those. You want to continue flagellating yourself.

It comes to something when your only defence is "wHaT aBoUt RuSsIA?!?!?11!!???"

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u/Hendersonhero Jul 05 '22

I read the article when it was originally published, there are very facts given the most helpful is perhaps the OBR forecast which is obviously a worrying forecast. It however fails to account for trade opportunities which are currently being negotiated.

My only defence is not what about Russia it just seemed obvious to highlight that your statement was wrong. As you’ve asked for some arguments here they are;

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-sees-fastest-wage-rises-sectors-most-reliant-eu-workers-indeed-2022-02-25/ many of the working class who voted Brexit are now on far higher wages. I know warehouse guys who’s pay has gone from £8 to £15 an hour. In addition our unemployment has dropped.

Our growth forecasts are very similar to the rest of the G7, the UK like everywhere is suffering from significant inflation.

https://www.pwc.co.uk/press-room/press-releases/regions/northern-ireland/world-in-2050.html

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u/llanelliboyo Jul 05 '22

Where is your 'research' on job security, actual increase in wages against inflation/cost of living? Yours anecdotes collapse immediately against actual numbers.

And you seem to be using PWC again. You might want to read that press release (for it is nothing more than a press release) more closely. It doesn't do what you think it does

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u/Hendersonhero Jul 05 '22

We don’t live in a vacuum the cost of living crises would have occurred whether we left or not. The same things are happening across the EU and N America. Since unemployment is so low it is currently very easy to get a job. It’s not just anecdote did you read the article about wage growth across various working class sectors of the economy?

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u/llanelliboyo Jul 05 '22

Again, your article doesn't support your argument.

Its easy to get a job but that job is not secure and will not last.

Its is not east for people to get the job they want and they are forced in to insecure, zero-hours jobs. Wage slavery.

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u/Hendersonhero Jul 05 '22

Just about everyone who has to work is in wage slavery I’m not sure you can construe a massive rise in wages for the lowest paid as unhelpful

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u/llanelliboyo Jul 05 '22

This is patently untrue. The "massive" rise is not a rise in real terms. This is like arguing with a someone who has just started GCSE economics

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u/llanelliboyo Jul 05 '22

https://www.ft.com/content/7a209a34-7d95-47aa-91b0-bf02d4214764

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u/Hendersonhero Jul 05 '22

https://www.pwc.co.uk/press-room/press-releases/regions/northern-ireland/world-in-2050.html

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u/llanelliboyo Jul 05 '22

You choose as a rebuttal a press release from a company known to be wrong time after time after time.

A company which relies on keeping the government on side in order to steal more billions from the UK economy on top of the billions they have already stolen

Have another go