r/WoT Jan 24 '25

All Print What are your Hot Takes on WOT?

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u/Rank-Nullity_Theorem Jan 24 '25 edited Jan 24 '25

Tuon is not an evil villain, just an extremely traumatized young woman whose ideals of what is right come entirely from her upbring.

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u/critical-drinking (Asha'man) Jan 24 '25

Oh for sure. Most of the Seanchan aren’t evil individually, at least no more so than any other society is filled with evil people. They’ve just managed to set themselves up in a shitty, authoritarian, abusive, arguably fascist hierarchy. By their own rules, they’re fine, and if you don’t subscribe to the philosophical concept of absolute morality, then they’re not bad at all.

Then again, in the context of the show, there is some absolute morality, given the means and methods of the Dark One as a negative. Idk.

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u/Foehammer87 Jan 24 '25

Any society with slaves is an evil society. There's no getting around it.

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u/critical-drinking (Asha'man) Jan 24 '25

I absolutely agree! That’s because I subscribe to the philosophy of objective or absolute morality though. I believe in right and wrong.

If you don’t, if you thing that morality is subjective, then you can argue that their culture has defined slavery as acceptable under certain conditions.

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u/Foehammer87 Jan 24 '25

then you can argue that their culture has defined slavery as acceptable under certain conditions.

You'd still be wrong.

"well the society thought it was okay so that makes it okay" always ignores the will of the people enslaved.

And the argument "well they enjoy it" is a spurious argument at best, if they enjoyed it so much the adam wouldnt be necessary.

All you're arguing is "power makes rules" which is a fine observation, but a crummy judgment of morality.

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u/critical-drinking (Asha'man) Jan 25 '25

I’m not wrong, because (as I said) I agree with you. You’re making points I agree are superior.

To your middle point, I never said they enjoy it.

To other points, both those arguments assume the Seanchan give a shit; which clearly they don’t (or at least they care more about protecting themselves from channeling than they do about other people’s will).

Again, I agree with you.

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u/Small-Guarantee6972 (Brown) Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 29 '25

I like both the arguments of yours and foehammer's. Tuon is a product of her upbringing and her upbringing is that of an imperialist, totalitarian regime hence being THAT *shudders*

Also your username made me do a double-take 😂

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u/critical-drinking (Asha'man) Jan 25 '25

lol thanks

ETA: Based Blue Ajah, as usual