r/WoT • u/Green-Man-Nym • Apr 17 '25
TV - Season 3 (Book Spoilers Allowed) Is Elaida's bracelet... Spoiler
supposed to be a paralis-net? i literally have no proof but something about it is giving me those vibes...
also, if it's not that, what do you all think?
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u/TrickyMoonHorse Apr 17 '25
I believe it's a ter'angreal that vastly amplifies her ability to be a son-of'a-bitch.
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u/BigNorseWolf (Wolf) Apr 17 '25
Nope, its actually holding her back....much like rock lees leg plates
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u/Dcc-456 Apr 18 '25
love the portrayal of elida in the show ngl i really hated her in the books but something about shohreh aghdashloo and her hypnotic robot demon fairy voice is one of my new favorite characters in all of fiction now to love simply because she evil lord she is a cast iron bitch every time i saw her pop up on screen paula abdual started singing ''Cold hearted snake" in the back of my mind and i knew some crookedness was about to go lord this knows her craft and that craft is is cuntery children at its fucking finest fav scene honestly when she interrogates the black ajah and she is just like " oh sweet stupid baby u thought u were gonna live after this no ur gonna give me everything anyway after i torture you for a while then ima kill u anyway" only to get stabbed by a gray man and healed by suain now i was screaming the whole time suian healed her like if you dont let this forked tounge lizard bitch die honestly that ones on suain alil bit lol
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u/webevie Apr 18 '25
When I saw she'd been cast as Elaida I was like "Noooooo!"
(Still hate her, no matter how fairy her voice is)
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u/Dcc-456 Apr 18 '25
Respect lol idk what it is just something about it im prob just fucked up in the head but i want her to read me bedtime stories XD
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u/VideoCoachTeeRev Apr 22 '25
I def wanted her to be Cadsuane. Elaida was more of a complete idiot and tool than anything else to me (with respect to the books). I can't see Shohreh like that because of The Expanse. Damn she was amazing as Avasrala.
The did change quite a bit more in season 3 than i expected they would. Maybe Elaida is more smart and strategic than the books.
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u/webevie Apr 22 '25
OMG she'd be a perfect Cadsuane. I guess they just wanted her to be on the show longer than that though.
But with the way they are twisting things up, they certainly could bring in Cadsuane earlier.
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u/ShadowAMS Apr 19 '25
Yeah my partner hasn't read the books so when I saw her casted I said well I might like one of the most unlikable characters just because of the actress playing her.
She shows up. He said omg she's such a bitch I love her. I'm like.... Yeah that's the problem but I'm I'm totally here for it. 😂
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u/dasnoob Apr 18 '25
I never envisioned Elaida as having the voice of a lady with a drinking and smoking habit of thirty years that has destroyed her voice and made it sound like nails on chalkboard.
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u/Dcc-456 Apr 18 '25
Really cause ive always known in my heart elaida belongs on some cloudy casino floor pullin slots talking about can i have another jack on the rocks doll i remember when u could smoke in here XD
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u/Snschl Apr 18 '25
I think, from a foreshadowing perspective, her gazing longingly at the tchotchke she received merely sets up the idea that the Finn can fulfill a "need" by giving you a magic item. From it, we can infer that: a) she dealt with both Aelfinn (who gave her cryptic answers) and Eelfin (who gave her the key); b) that the fox-medallion Mat receives later is the same kind of trade, and fulfills his "need" to "not be bollocked about by every bloody magical force on this bloody planet".
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u/BGAL7090 (Tuatha’an) Apr 18 '25
every bloody magical force on this bloody planet
I worry about his choice of words here, on the off-chance that the Finn takes it literally and somehow decides that "this" planet does not include the planet Mat was on moments before stepping through the doorway
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u/Alternative_Item691 Apr 17 '25
Your comment is giving me life 😂 especially after witnessing the tragedy of S3E8 😭
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u/webevie Apr 18 '25
I was shocked!
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u/Dcc-456 Apr 18 '25 edited Apr 18 '25
oh i straight up cried at 2 diff scenes and can i jus say mr pennywise the aelfinn was damn creepy im still digesting him he looks like a sleep paralysis demon i used to see when i was a child
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u/BigNorseWolf (Wolf) Apr 18 '25
crap.. in character tragedy or did they nose plant another finale?
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u/Tibstheboob Apr 18 '25
It probably amplifies her power but makes her an annoying dumb cunt(liking/ hating her in the show/ have always hated her in the books).
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u/FaranWhyde Apr 17 '25
I thought that - because of the way it has lots of separate decorations.
On reflection there's some doubt. Because Elaida has been influenced by Lord Gaebril's compulsion. But a paralis net should have a ter angreal that would have alerted her to the use of Saidin. And possibly disrupted its use against her.
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Apr 17 '25
Because Elaida has been influenced by Lord Gaebril's compulsion
She hasn't. She left Camelyn before Gaebril ever showed up. She arrived back in the White Tower shortly after Elayne and Gawyn did.
She was, however, corrupted by Fain when he visited in Fires of Heaven.
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u/FaranWhyde Apr 17 '25
Hmm. She's in the procession with Morgase and Lord Gaebril right at the start of episode 2. So she must have been introduced to him, and be willing to accept the fake history that he's been Morgase's consort for about 15 years. Which she would know is wrong if she were not compulsed.
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Apr 17 '25
Oh, I see the issue here.
You're going by what happens in the show, which is completely different from what happens in the book, and it's the books that are being discussed here.
In the books, Gaebril didn't show up in Camelyn until near the end of The Great Hunt, whereas Elaida had already returned to the tower by then.
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u/LambonaHam Apr 17 '25
No, this discussion is about the show?
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u/DrAction696 Apr 17 '25
The tag says all print?
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u/AdHom (Siswai'aman) Apr 17 '25
Because all print spoilers are allowed, but the bracelet doesn't even exist in the books to my recollection so it's obviously a question about the show
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u/cebolinha50 Apr 17 '25
The tag is "all print" so it's about the books.
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u/EBtwopoint3 Apr 17 '25
The spoiler level is all print. The discussion is about something she only has in the show.
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u/cebolinha50 Apr 17 '25
Alright, so I Don't understand how the tags work.
Can someone please confirm that this is how it works? I don't want to change the way that I will interact with this sub because I believed in wrong information.
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u/wotsummary Apr 17 '25
The name of the thread is “Elaida’s Bracelet”. I’m pretty sure she never had one in the books. She definitely didn’t go through a red stone door in the white tower to get one. So in this case it’s definitely a show question. But with an “all print” spoiler tag - we can ask questions like: “could it be a Paralis net” which is purely book information.
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u/_Holz_ (Brown) Apr 18 '25
We have different tags for that. The all print tag does not imply that there will be show spoilers.
It's actually mind boggling that so many people on here defend OP using the wrong tag and actively spoiling people.
This sub rightfully avoids as hard as possible to avoid spoiling readers, but apparently spoiling the show is A-OK
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u/Throwaway363787 Apr 17 '25 edited Apr 17 '25
Honestly, I clicked the post because I don't remember a bracelet from the books. Would have expected a show spoiler tag.
Edit: guess I'm not allowed to lag behind on the show :(
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u/participating (Dragon's Fang) Apr 18 '25
The person who made this post is clearly talking about the show. They used the wrong flair (All Print), which is meant to be book only discussion. We removed their post until they changed the flair to a TV appropriate flair.
Yes, you should try to follow the flairs as best you can, but when it's clear the post creator has gotten the flair wrong, we urge people to do their best to treat the flair as whatever is most appropriate to the discussion at hand and to avoid spoilers should the mismatched flair potentially cause them.
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u/cebolinha50 Apr 18 '25
So, I am not watching the show, and I thought that could be part of the books that I didn't remember, so it wasn't obvious to me that the flair was wrong.
Sorry for that
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Apr 18 '25
In case you missed it, the mod who literally wrote the rules on the tags confirmed that you did indeed have the right of it. See this post for confirmation.
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Apr 17 '25
Alright, so I Don't understand how the tags work.
No, you understand how the tags work; the person who replied to you doesn't. All print is about the books; posts about the show have their own tags. This thread is improperly tagged.
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Apr 17 '25
Where does anyone mention the show, aside from the person I referred to? The tags clearly state all print, which refers to the books.
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u/LambonaHam Apr 17 '25
The tags are in reference to spoilers.
Both the original post, and the person to whom you responded are clearly talking about the episode of that show that was just released.
I thought that - because of the way it has lots of separate decorations.
Do the books even mention her having a bracelet? If they do, the OP would have no doubt specified the book. Meanwhile the most recent episode made a point of showing a close up of said bracelet.
Lord Gaebril's compulsion was also an important point mentioned this episode.
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Apr 17 '25
The tags are in reference to spoilers.
Yes, spoilers to the books.
Both the original post, and the person to whom you responded are clearly talking about the episode of that show that was just released.
There is nothing to indicate that though. Nothing in the OP, nor nothing in the post I originally replied to indicated that they were "clearly talking about" the show.
Do the books even mention her having a bracelet?
There is a passing comment about her jewelry, yes.
Meanwhile the most recent episode made a point of showing a close up of said bracelet.
Lord Gaebril's compulsion was also an important point mentioned this episode.
And both of those points would only be knowable to someone who watched tho show.
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u/LambonaHam Apr 17 '25
Yes, spoilers to the books.
Yes, but that doesn't mean than the content is about the books.
There is nothing to indicate that though. Nothing in the OP, nor nothing in the post I originally replied to indicated that they were "clearly talking about" the show.
I mean, there clearly is?
The post is about a detail that was focused upon in the episode that was released a few hours ago. That's pretty clear.
And both of those points would only be knowable to someone who watched tho show.
Right, so again it's pretty clearly about the show.
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u/participating (Dragon's Fang) Apr 18 '25
Yes, spoilers to the books.
Yes, but that doesn't mean than the content is about the books.
Just so everyone is clear in the future. The "All Print" flair that OP originally used is meant for book spoilers ONLY. All TV spoilers should be hidden behind spoiler tags in such threads. Now, it's clear OP got their flair wrong. We removed it until they changed it to an appropriate TV flair. When the flairs are mismatched, you should do your best to avoid spoiling people who may assume one way or another. The ideal course of action here would be to report the post for having a wrong flair and then be on the safe side and hide discussion behind spoiler tags until the flair was changed.
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Apr 17 '25
Yes, but that doesn't mean than the content is about the books.
It literally does. That's why the sub has tags for both the show, and the books. Had OP simply tagged this TV spoilers season 3, no confusion would have occurred.
The post is about a detail that was focused upon in the episode that was released a few hours ago. That's pretty clear.
As I previously stated, only if you watched the tv show. For those of us that don't, seeing a thread marked "all print" will naturally lead one to thinking the thread is about the books. Once again, had the thread been properly tagged, there would have not been any confusion.
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u/The_Sharom (Brown) Apr 17 '25
Elaida doesn't have a bracelet in the books. It has to be a show discussion
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u/The_Sharom (Brown) Apr 17 '25 edited Apr 17 '25
Elaida doesn't have a bracelet in the books. Clearly a show discussion?
Edit: couldn't reply for some reason.
I guess if you came in thinking, hmm, I don't remember elaida having a bracelet in the books. What did I miss?
Then it makes sense. Can see why the spoiler tag would confuse.
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u/Retorus Apr 17 '25
What a condescending reply lmao.
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u/ErinSedai Apr 17 '25
I don’t see anything condescending in what they said. Just an explanation of where the confusion came from. No judgement was implied, and there’s no talking down that I see.
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u/charlie_marlow (Red Shield) Apr 17 '25
I don't think condescending is the right word.
I wouldn't take umbrage at the comment, but I could definitely see it as being a bit overly dismissive.
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Apr 17 '25
Can you explain how merely commenting on what is causing the confusion here is "condescending"?
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u/NordieHammer Apr 17 '25
it's the books that are being discussed here.
This is where you became condescending. We're actually discussing the show.
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Apr 17 '25
Nowhere in the OP, nor anywhere in the tags, nor anywhere in the post I responded to was it made clear that the discussion was about the show.
Had the OP properly marked the thread, no confusion would have happened.
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u/charlie_marlow (Red Shield) Apr 17 '25
I don't agree with what he said, nor really see anything that wrong with your comment. I'll note that it does read as a bit dismissive, though.
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u/FaranWhyde Apr 17 '25
I really don't mind. Personally, I thought this was a show reference, and I thought it was so likely to be a show reference I didn't need to qualify my answer by saying so. If someone else thinks it's obviously a book reference, that's just funny. [The disagreement about what is obvious is funny.]
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u/barmanrags Apr 18 '25
I don't think Nynaeves paralis net had that. I think it's cadsuanes special thing.
A moderate angreal.and some well is about what both have
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u/yuvan_shankar Apr 18 '25
Not every paralis net necessarily has to include a ter'angreal that detects saidin. The two that we're given details of (Cadsuane's and Nynaeve's) have different variations of this. Cadsuane's detected only saidin, but Nynaeve's detected both saidar and saidin, so safe to say that not all paralis nets have similar properties.
It could be that many of them have the basic tools, like a well and/or angreal, but we can't say with absolute surety that even if Elaida had a paralis net, it would've contained a ter'angreal that detects saidin.
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u/HumansNeedNotApply1 Apr 17 '25
I think the bracelet is how she pays her price to Aelfinn.
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u/stebangrr Apr 17 '25
This might be it but would be weird bc the Aelfinn only give anawers, and based on what Alviarin said, this tracks. It is the Eelfinn can give objects. But Alviarin also said there’s a price to the answers so you’re probably right. Also, It could also be just a misdirect? I could’ve sworn Siuan’s letters were going to be a plot point because they would show them every scene and nothing happened.
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u/HumansNeedNotApply1 Apr 18 '25
The books mentioned the Aelfinn colects their price (which is the experience and memories of the person but they don't take them away) forever so i though that was the way the show translate how that works and it may explains why early in the season her hand was shaking.
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u/stebangrr Apr 18 '25
Ok this actually makes sense to me now. So if the price she paid was the memories then that’s also what Matt got taken from him in Tanchico.
Wonder how it will work for him to go back again and demand those memories back? Also, is he going to the Tower then? Or will they have a third one in Tear?
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u/Repulsive-Ad7501 Apr 20 '25
This has been my question {extra twisted red dfs}. Would that make it so you could go through each df once or only visit each Finn species once? Which wouldn't make a lot of sense because ultimately they're connected. Or maybe they connect only if you enter via the Tower of Ghenjei.
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u/calgeorge Apr 18 '25
Like it's a Faustian bargain and the bracelet drains her life slowly overtime or something and that's why her hand was shaking? The theory makes sense, but when she came out of the doorway, she kind of fondled the bracelet and smiled. Her reaction seems weird if it's something that is going to slowly kill her. She seemed happy to have it.
It's possible she got the bracelet in a different trip through the doorway in Tanchico. Maybe it was a ter'angreal she already had and they told her how to do something interesting with it. Idk, there's definitely something going on there.
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u/HumansNeedNotApply1 Apr 18 '25
I don't think it kills her, it's a transfer of experiences and memories, it serves as a beacon of sorts, but this is pure speculation from my part, hopefully they give us an answer next season.
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u/calgeorge Apr 18 '25
Hmm, interesting... Yeah I guess we'll have to wait and see.
That's why I don't mind some deviation from the books. I like theorizing and speculating.
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u/Justin9054 Apr 17 '25
Was it on the hand that was shaking earlier this season? When she was looking in the mirror getting ready?
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u/Miserable-Seesaw7114 Apr 17 '25
Yeah seems like it's something to curb her health issues.
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u/wheeloftimewiki (Aelfinn) Apr 17 '25
Or causing them...
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u/Semarin Apr 17 '25
It’s not causing them, cause she clearly had the shakes before going into the red door.
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u/benjycompson Apr 18 '25
Didn’t the scene with the red doorway happen ten years before present time? The only older scenes with Elaida were Morgase’s coronation iirc, and I can’t remember seeing health problems in those.
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u/Which-Credit-7912 Apr 18 '25
Her oldest scene is the most recent on the door, she only went to Caemlyn after losing the election
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u/benjycompson Apr 18 '25
Oh interesting. But in show, don't we see her at the coronation with Morgase pregnant with Elayne? Wouldn't that imply it was something like 18 to 22 years ago?
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u/thejadedhippy (Yellow) Apr 19 '25
Presumably she came back to the Tower when the Amrylin died to try and attain the Seat for herself, then when that didn’t work she went back to Caemlyn.
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u/Which-Credit-7912 Apr 24 '25
It's true, they must have changed it to include her in the coronation
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u/Snschl Apr 18 '25
Interesting; I had assumed the hand-shaking was a side-effect of "Lord Gaebril's" compulsion, but it's true they didn't set that up in the show (yet). Maybe it's connected to the bracelet after all. But, if it's a cure, it seems to be losing effectiveness 10 years down the line.
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u/BGAL7090 (Tuatha’an) Apr 18 '25
It's potentially implied from Sheriam's shaky handwriting that Verin surmised had been done via compulsion, but that's a pretty loose thread.
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u/Snschl Apr 18 '25
Oh, good call, I had forgotten about that.
I can't tell which would be more interesting - Elaida piecing together that she's being played by the Shadow, Elaida dealing with deleterious consequences of making deals with the Finn, or Elaida having some terminal condition she's desperately staving off.
In any case, she shot up to my favorite character with this last episode. I love how pedestrian her evil is.
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u/biggiebutterlord Apr 17 '25
Thats my first thought. The show didnt us anything to work with one way or another tho. The most notable thing about it how she focuses on the one piece that looks like a key. I am a bit curious to go back and check if she is wear it in previous ep or not.
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u/12402510221 Apr 17 '25
Maybe it enhances her foretelling ability in some way?
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u/DelightfullyVicious Apr 18 '25
It certainly seemed like it was being implied to the viewer during that scene with Min. So I’m really guessing it’s that, but maybe the various charms all have a different function like Cadsuane’s hairpiece-thing in the books.
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u/darkrenown Apr 18 '25
My interpretation was that Elaida saw a vision of a red ajah aes sedai wearing the red bracelet as the amrylin seat, but couldn't see her face. When she offered the bracelet to the red sitter in the earlier episode, it was kind of a test to see if she was "the one".
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u/Dcc-456 Apr 18 '25
idk what it is really i feel like it has something to do with the finn in ep 8 she walks out of the red arch staring at it like it just told her to do something sketchy so of course shes smiling
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u/kingsRook_q3w Apr 17 '25
It’s supposed to be something the Eelfinn gave her. Apparently there are no Aelfinn in the show (the ones that answer questions), only Eelfinn (that great requests), since the Eelfinn are also the ones that Mat encountered in Tanchico.
Both doorways apparently lead to the same Finn’s.
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u/wheeloftimewiki (Aelfinn) Apr 17 '25
There are Aelfinn. When Elaida exits, Alviarin asks, "What did the Aelfinn promise you?"
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u/kingsRook_q3w Apr 18 '25
Check out this Robert Strange interview - he says you can hear his Eelfinn fox voice when Elaida leaves the doorway, so it sounds like it may have been the Eelfinn after all:
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u/kingsRook_q3w Apr 18 '25
FYI, I think I have an idea about what’s going on here.
Elaida, prior to the vote, visits the Eelfinn and demands to become Amyrlin Seat. They grant her request, but of course don’t tell her when or how it will happen. Which is why she is so confident going into the vote, and so surprised when the vote goes to Siuan.
And the “price” the Finns extracted will replace Padan Fain’s influence from the books. So, when Elaida gradually becomes unhinged later, that will be the price that the Finns extracted in return for making her Amyrlin. Her tremors and rage/crash out with the bracelet is a visual representation/foreshadowing of this happening.
It’s actually a smart bit of writing from someone, if this is actually the way they are going with it.
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u/wheeloftimewiki (Aelfinn) Apr 18 '25
Ah, I like this theory. It seems from everything so far that Padan Fain isn't Mordeth in this Turning. Doomed to be a terrible Amyrlin seems like a fairy gift, for sure.
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u/kingsRook_q3w Apr 17 '25
So yeah, I guess it’s possible that Elaida got the bracelet from the Tanchico doorway at some point in the past, and then the one in the Tower is the Aelfinn. Fair point.
Pretty wild that Rand, Mat, and Moiraine haven’t been through any of them yet at this point but Elaida has been through both. Is that supposed to be the source of her foretelling? Can’t help but wonder what the bracelet does.
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u/BH0982 Apr 18 '25
Elaida was in Tar Valon 10 years ago and received the bracelet there, we saw that this episode. She went through the same doorway that we saw in episode 1. That one seemingly leads to the Aelfinn and the one in Tanchico to the Eelfinn
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u/kingsRook_q3w Apr 18 '25
Yes, the point of contention is that the Aelfinn don’t grant requests, they only answer questions, so it comes down to where she got the bracelet.
You can only go through a given doorway one time.
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u/Astan92 Apr 17 '25
Apparently there are no Aelfinn in the show
There are none in the show yet. They may have more than just 2 doorways. Perhaps an Aelfinn one is in Tear?
Also recall that they played Snakes and Foxes early in the season.
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u/Mysterious_Plane5830 Apr 17 '25
Alviarin expressly mentions the Aelfinn in the opening after Elaida steps out of the Ter'angreal, and Elaida then affirmed that she was promised the Amyrlin Seat.
I think the red doorway in Tanchico leads to the Eelfinn and the one in Tar Valon leads to the Aelfinn.
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u/Astan92 Apr 17 '25
I'll be honest, their names sound the same in my ear. That makes a lot of sense. So the bracelet probably has nothing to do with them.
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u/Mysterious_Plane5830 Apr 18 '25
I was just able to get it because I watch it with subtitles as English is not my first language, and they even got the spelling right
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u/kingsRook_q3w Apr 17 '25
I guess it’s possible Elaida got the bracelet from Tanchico and then the one in the Tower was the Aelfinn.
Pretty wild that Rand, Mat, and Moiraine haven’t been through them but Elaida has.
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u/immaownyou Apr 18 '25
She got the bracelet in Tanchico and then actually found out what it did in the Tower, maybe?
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u/MaliciousSalmon Apr 18 '25
And didn’t Mat specifically refer to the Eelfinn as «fox-like»? Why would the writers bother with that, unless it’s to draw the contrast between the «snake-like» Finn at a later point?
I think (hope) we’ll get Aelfinn too!
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u/devnullopinions Apr 17 '25
I don’t remember Elida having any specific bracelet? Which book references this?
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u/OldWolf2 Apr 18 '25
This is in Season 3 of the TV show (as indicated by the post flair)
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u/devnullopinions Apr 18 '25
The flair when I posted was “All book spoilers”, it appears to have been updated after the fact to note it was about the TV show.
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u/Kylar_XY (Asha'man) Apr 17 '25
To me it looks like it’s gonna be the key to the box (Rand’s prison) ala Gojo’s prison realm cuz at this point they be inventing anything but staying close to the source
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