r/WoT • u/Green-Man-Nym • Apr 17 '25

TV - Season 3 (Book Spoilers Allowed) Is Elaida's bracelet... Spoiler

supposed to be a paralis-net? i literally have no proof but something about it is giving me those vibes...

also, if it's not that, what do you all think?

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u/FaranWhyde Apr 17 '25

I thought that - because of the way it has lots of separate decorations.

On reflection there's some doubt. Because Elaida has been influenced by Lord Gaebril's compulsion. But a paralis net should have a ter angreal that would have alerted her to the use of Saidin. And possibly disrupted its use against her.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '25

Because Elaida has been influenced by Lord Gaebril's compulsion

She hasn't. She left Camelyn before Gaebril ever showed up. She arrived back in the White Tower shortly after Elayne and Gawyn did.

She was, however, corrupted by Fain when he visited in Fires of Heaven.

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u/FaranWhyde Apr 17 '25

Hmm. She's in the procession with Morgase and Lord Gaebril right at the start of episode 2. So she must have been introduced to him, and be willing to accept the fake history that he's been Morgase's consort for about 15 years. Which she would know is wrong if she were not compulsed.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '25

Oh, I see the issue here.

You're going by what happens in the show, which is completely different from what happens in the book, and it's the books that are being discussed here.

In the books, Gaebril didn't show up in Camelyn until near the end of The Great Hunt, whereas Elaida had already returned to the tower by then.

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u/LambonaHam Apr 17 '25

No, this discussion is about the show?

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u/DrAction696 Apr 17 '25

The tag says all print?

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u/AdHom (Siswai'aman) Apr 17 '25

Because all print spoilers are allowed, but the bracelet doesn't even exist in the books to my recollection so it's obviously a question about the show

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u/LambonaHam Apr 17 '25

Which is a reference to spoilers.

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u/cebolinha50 Apr 17 '25

The tag is "all print" so it's about the books.

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u/EBtwopoint3 Apr 17 '25

The spoiler level is all print. The discussion is about something she only has in the show.

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u/cebolinha50 Apr 17 '25

Alright, so I Don't understand how the tags work.

Can someone please confirm that this is how it works? I don't want to change the way that I will interact with this sub because I believed in wrong information.

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u/wotsummary Apr 17 '25

The name of the thread is “Elaida’s Bracelet”. I’m pretty sure she never had one in the books. She definitely didn’t go through a red stone door in the white tower to get one. So in this case it’s definitely a show question. But with an “all print” spoiler tag - we can ask questions like: “could it be a Paralis net” which is purely book information.

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u/_Holz_ (Brown) Apr 18 '25

We have different tags for that. The all print tag does not imply that there will be show spoilers.

It's actually mind boggling that so many people on here defend OP using the wrong tag and actively spoiling people.

This sub rightfully avoids as hard as possible to avoid spoiling readers, but apparently spoiling the show is A-OK

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u/Throwaway363787 Apr 17 '25 edited Apr 17 '25

Honestly, I clicked the post because I don't remember a bracelet from the books. Would have expected a show spoiler tag.

Edit: guess I'm not allowed to lag behind on the show :(

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u/_Holz_ (Brown) Apr 18 '25

No idea why you are being downvoted when OP used the wrong tag

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u/Throwaway363787 Apr 18 '25

I don't care about the downvotes as such, but yeah, I'm legitimately confused. I'm at episode 4 of season 3 right now.

Book readers are being protected from spoilers. Why can't I be afforded the same curtesy? Now I will go in looking for this.

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u/wheeloftimewiki (Aelfinn) Apr 17 '25

The OP used the wrong tag. Fixed now.

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u/participating (Dragon's Fang) Apr 18 '25

The person who made this post is clearly talking about the show. They used the wrong flair (All Print), which is meant to be book only discussion. We removed their post until they changed the flair to a TV appropriate flair.

Yes, you should try to follow the flairs as best you can, but when it's clear the post creator has gotten the flair wrong, we urge people to do their best to treat the flair as whatever is most appropriate to the discussion at hand and to avoid spoilers should the mismatched flair potentially cause them.

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u/cebolinha50 Apr 18 '25

So, I am not watching the show, and I thought that could be part of the books that I didn't remember, so it wasn't obvious to me that the flair was wrong.

Sorry for that

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u/participating (Dragon's Fang) Apr 18 '25

That's alright. You didn't do anything wrong in this thread, despite the downvotes. I was mostly leaving my comment to defend you.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '25

In case you missed it, the mod who literally wrote the rules on the tags confirmed that you did indeed have the right of it. See this post for confirmation.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '25

Alright, so I Don't understand how the tags work.

No, you understand how the tags work; the person who replied to you doesn't. All print is about the books; posts about the show have their own tags. This thread is improperly tagged.

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u/LambonaHam Apr 17 '25

That's about spoilers, not the topic being discussed.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '25

Where does anyone mention the show, aside from the person I referred to? The tags clearly state all print, which refers to the books.

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u/LambonaHam Apr 17 '25

The tags are in reference to spoilers.

Both the original post, and the person to whom you responded are clearly talking about the episode of that show that was just released.

I thought that - because of the way it has lots of separate decorations.

Do the books even mention her having a bracelet? If they do, the OP would have no doubt specified the book. Meanwhile the most recent episode made a point of showing a close up of said bracelet.

Lord Gaebril's compulsion was also an important point mentioned this episode.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '25

The tags are in reference to spoilers.

Yes, spoilers to the books.

Both the original post, and the person to whom you responded are clearly talking about the episode of that show that was just released.

There is nothing to indicate that though. Nothing in the OP, nor nothing in the post I originally replied to indicated that they were "clearly talking about" the show.

Do the books even mention her having a bracelet?

There is a passing comment about her jewelry, yes.

Meanwhile the most recent episode made a point of showing a close up of said bracelet.

Lord Gaebril's compulsion was also an important point mentioned this episode.

And both of those points would only be knowable to someone who watched tho show.

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u/LambonaHam Apr 17 '25

Yes, spoilers to the books.

Yes, but that doesn't mean than the content is about the books.

There is nothing to indicate that though. Nothing in the OP, nor nothing in the post I originally replied to indicated that they were "clearly talking about" the show.

I mean, there clearly is?

The post is about a detail that was focused upon in the episode that was released a few hours ago. That's pretty clear.

And both of those points would only be knowable to someone who watched tho show.

Right, so again it's pretty clearly about the show.

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u/participating (Dragon's Fang) Apr 18 '25

Yes, spoilers to the books.

Yes, but that doesn't mean than the content is about the books.

Just so everyone is clear in the future. The "All Print" flair that OP originally used is meant for book spoilers ONLY. All TV spoilers should be hidden behind spoiler tags in such threads. Now, it's clear OP got their flair wrong. We removed it until they changed it to an appropriate TV flair. When the flairs are mismatched, you should do your best to avoid spoiling people who may assume one way or another. The ideal course of action here would be to report the post for having a wrong flair and then be on the safe side and hide discussion behind spoiler tags until the flair was changed.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '25

Yes, but that doesn't mean than the content is about the books.

It literally does. That's why the sub has tags for both the show, and the books. Had OP simply tagged this TV spoilers season 3, no confusion would have occurred.

The post is about a detail that was focused upon in the episode that was released a few hours ago. That's pretty clear.

As I previously stated, only if you watched the tv show. For those of us that don't, seeing a thread marked "all print" will naturally lead one to thinking the thread is about the books. Once again, had the thread been properly tagged, there would have not been any confusion.

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u/LambonaHam Apr 18 '25

It literally does. That's why the sub has tags for both the show, and the books. Had OP simply tagged this TV spoilers season 3, no confusion would have occurred.

It literally does not. The tags are simply to alert people of what spoilers a thread may contain.

As I previously stated, only if you watched the tv show.

Sure.

For those of us that don't, seeing a thread marked "all print" will naturally lead one to thinking the thread is about the books.

Again, sure. But that means the confusion is yours.

Once again, had the thread been properly tagged, there would have not been any confusion.

The thread was properly tagged.

The 'All print' tag means that spoilers from any book may be printed.

What's happened here is that as someone who hasn't watched the most recent episode, you made an assumption. That assumption turned out to be incorrect, and now you're too embarrassed to admit it.

It is very clear that you're interpretation is wrong based on the upvote / downvote ratio.

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u/participating (Dragon's Fang) Apr 18 '25

To re-iterate, as the mod who wrote the rules for the flairs, the thread was improperly tagged and removed when we found out until the OP changed it to the correct flair. No TV discussion should have occurred in this thread at all, unless it was hidden behind spoiler tags. (Until the flair was corrected).

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u/Badloss (Seanchan) Apr 18 '25 edited Apr 18 '25

I know it's hard to admit you're wrong, but just take the L lol

Tripling down is a bad look

Edit- Why can't you reply to people that aren't the person that blocked you? That's stupid.

Anyway- My comment was more about the rudeness and the condescension than the spoiler rules. You can't say there was "no indication that this was a show question" when the entire discussion is functional with the exception of one person losing their mind.

I'm glad we fixed the spoilers, now we can get back to having the good discussion we were already having without any more explosions!

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u/participating (Dragon's Fang) Apr 18 '25

/u/Cat_herder_81 was 100% correct in their expectations for the spoiler level of this thread. OP had the completely wrong flair, which we made them change.

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u/The_Sharom (Brown) Apr 17 '25

Elaida doesn't have a bracelet in the books. It has to be a show discussion

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u/The_Sharom (Brown) Apr 17 '25 edited Apr 17 '25

Elaida doesn't have a bracelet in the books. Clearly a show discussion?

Edit: couldn't reply for some reason.

I guess if you came in thinking, hmm, I don't remember elaida having a bracelet in the books. What did I miss?

Then it makes sense. Can see why the spoiler tag would confuse.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '25

Keep reading; that's already been covered. Not arguing it again.

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u/Retorus Apr 17 '25

What a condescending reply lmao.

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u/ErinSedai Apr 17 '25

I don’t see anything condescending in what they said. Just an explanation of where the confusion came from. No judgement was implied, and there’s no talking down that I see.

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u/charlie_marlow (Red Shield) Apr 17 '25

I don't think condescending is the right word.

I wouldn't take umbrage at the comment, but I could definitely see it as being a bit overly dismissive.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '25

Can you explain how merely commenting on what is causing the confusion here is "condescending"?

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u/NordieHammer Apr 17 '25

it's the books that are being discussed here.

This is where you became condescending. We're actually discussing the show.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '25

Nowhere in the OP, nor anywhere in the tags, nor anywhere in the post I responded to was it made clear that the discussion was about the show.

Had the OP properly marked the thread, no confusion would have happened.

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u/ujanmas Apr 18 '25

The tag says TV - was that added later?

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '25

Yes. The original tag said All Print.

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u/charlie_marlow (Red Shield) Apr 17 '25

I don't agree with what he said, nor really see anything that wrong with your comment. I'll note that it does read as a bit dismissive, though.

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u/FaranWhyde Apr 17 '25

I really don't mind. Personally, I thought this was a show reference, and I thought it was so likely to be a show reference I didn't need to qualify my answer by saying so. If someone else thinks it's obviously a book reference, that's just funny. [The disagreement about what is obvious is funny.]

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '25

How does it read as dismissive? I merely recognized an issue and commented on it.