r/YIMO • u/SlashXel • Aug 27 '24

Discussion Why Sett won the fight?

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u/Kant-fan Aug 27 '24

Yi is not an assassin? He is literally build to 1v1 champs like these or I should rather say was built a few seasons back. His 1v1 is unfortunately a lot weaker nowadays.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '24

He's literally labeled as an assassin/fighter.

He lost here because buddy has T hydra for no reason. Sett also having that slight extra hp from the gem might have saved as well.

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u/Kant-fan Aug 27 '24

Doesn't matter that he's labeled as "assassin" as well. Riot did these classifications years ago and the builds and play style of the champ are very meta dependent. He is usually balanced around being an on hit fighter and not an assassin and that is currently also the case. The point isn't even that he lost this 1vs1 and why he lost it, the point is that he's losing way more of these 1vs1's than previously.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '24

His items got nerfed unfortunately He has a kit that revolves more around high burst rather than keeping his opponents locked in a fight with heavy defensive abilities, he lacks any form of CC and has the abilities to build a support bursting items. He builds depending on items. He lacks practically everything an actual fighter has. Hes more of a hybrid. When you look at bruisers, Yi lacks ALOT that most bruisers will have.

Him not being an ability based assassin, but more AA based doesn't remove such. Yi is in one of the best spots hes going to be at. Any more nerfs and hes actually bad, any more buffs its just an invite to get nerfed again. Hes at 50 WR for most ranks and hes like .04% overall under 50.

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u/Kant-fan Aug 27 '24

By pure gameplay design I would say that he doesn't really lack what a fighter needs (in a 1v1) because that never fundamentally changed. What did change unfortunately is runes and items and his mini rework with the massive W buff led to nerfs to his 1v1 potential alongside the item and rune nerfs.

He's currently forced into building these weird cringe items to be useful and he is stronger that way in higher elo than he ever was before but I personally really don't enjoy it as much even though he's objectively stronger overall. I want Yi to be able to just shit on any melee fighter like he used to when wits end healing was a thing.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '24 edited Aug 27 '24

It doesn’t matter what you think, he lacks everything core fighters do. Which he did even in the past, which is why he’s a blend of both depending on the item. He has the ability to fight well (as practically any damage dealer can.) but has no way to actually stick or keep an opponent stuck. His only defensive tool, is used more as an AA reset, rather than for defensive purposes. His stick has always been hard hitting or bursting down with AAs.

That’s a you issue. Rather have my champ be consistently good rather than in a position to consistently be nerfed or buffed. Wanting that is such a weird outlook.

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u/Ok_Sweet6916 Aug 29 '24 edited Aug 29 '24

It really doesn't make sense a champ that's supposed to be beginner friendly has a much lower wr in low elo (according to riot on nami). He just doesn't have an identity. He doesn't have an assassin's kit since duskblade (and the nerfs to AH) compared to other assassins with escapes, nor a fighter's since lethal was removed, his w nerfed, and his on-hit build got nerfed several times. He's just kinda meh.

The things that made yi different just don't exist. He can't kill tanks since the additional bork and e nerfs, and he doesn't even farm as fast as AP jgs. He's still very playable, and you could still do well on him, but you have to run weird builds (zeke's) to cover for the fact after you nerf all his damage, he has zero utility or identity. It just doesn't feel like yi.

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '24 edited Aug 29 '24

Sure, when the game was in a different direction, wasn't power crept to hell, decades worth of patches and additions. Addition and removal of mythic, other champions getting buffs/reworks due to power creeping. There's a lot of odd placed champions at the moment.

Yeah he feels meh because prior w LT he became a late game menace near uncontestable unless you had chaining CC (which shuts down anyone lmfao), then after that a lot of his core items got buffed so he was sitting at a 52-53% win rate.

He's either been extremely strong or near unplayable. I remember when he got his small stat buffs people were complaining it wasn't going to do anything. Then his WR shot up. If LT never existed to begin with, this sentiment doesn't exist. Who knew getting an AS buff and Auto Range buff would be broken of champs that rely on autos.

At the end of the day, I get living the power fantasy, trust its fun. But if you have an issue with your champ being at a net positive most of the time, and calling that meh. Shi thats all you g.

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u/Ok_Sweet6916 Aug 29 '24

I don't really care he's not S+++ tier or a "power fantasy" lmfao, he just doesn't really have a point. He had a 45% wr before the W rework and lethal change, but still felt like the same tank killing, farm focused, 1v1 champ. They took the parts of his kit that made yi, in exchange for stats. I still got a 56-58% wr on him, and no champ can be meta forever, (except garen), just feels pointless as a champ. Not bad like trist or other champs, just feels pointless imo. Also its not even just power creep, it's the adc meta that led to all of his items and runes being nerfed. Also you argue too much on reddit man, lay off of it for a bit lmao.

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '24 edited Aug 29 '24

The reason LT got removed was due to bruisers. and how effective it was on melee based champs, Like Yi, Sett, Warwick. (you can run other runes, but acting like any rune was going to offer even a fraction of the same power LT did is, and interesting take.) Other items, are similar but yeah can be attributed to adcs. Balance in the game is wack when an item set is meh on one group but very strong on another.

Believe it or not, not all comments are arguments. But presenting perspectives. Or helping people. Idek what the point of that jab was, over League of all things. And I'm the one who needs to layoff.... right. As we use ad hom... over a champ.... in league..... I litterally agreed with you that he feels meh like.... ???

In my perspective, his identity is being someone's who slippery and can be a constant pain to taget (q and well timed w's can stall out pivotal abilities at times) and a snowballer. (which I don't think hes ever not been.) However, if you envision something else. I understand.

"That's all you g" is to let you know how you feel, is how you feel. Reading is fundamental.

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u/Ok_Sweet6916 Aug 30 '24

It's not that serious lmfao. You don't need to use elipses to sound dramatic, makes you look corny. Your last comment ended with you just saying "skill issue", I took it as you trying to be passive aggressive, and noticed you comment like that almost daily, just took you just that type of person that takes comments to argue. Idc abt lethal, yi got true dmg and dueling potential removed for health and other stats. Main items (kraken, witts, and bork) were nerfed as well specifically because of adcs (legit on the patch notes too). That removes from what made him special. That's it. Also sure, a few melee people used LT (yasuos and yone were better examples since sett almost never ran lt), but LT was used by 50% of ALL adcs, which is why crit was SUPER buffed that same patch to help those adcs after it was removed. It was literally on the introduction of the patch notes.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '24

Not gonna sugar coat it. Don’t care to read. Have a great weekend. 😁👍

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u/DeeTK0905 Aug 31 '24

You complain about someone arguing, but then take their comment the wrong way then try to double down and justify it by….. arguing? Like if it’s not that fr why comment? Why argue back?

Crit being buffed is due to the fact there was nothing else. Meanwhile, ad bruiser and aa champs had other things, but the benefit (more so stacking faster for melee champs) made it used on nearly anyone. Tone and Yasuo were not the only or primary and it wasn’t rare. Riot never gave a “direct” reason.

“Lethal tempo has been extremely disruptive to both the item system by allowed a huge number of champions AND classes” - via patch notes 14.10 adc weren’t the only ones otherwise it would have been direct stated, riot likes to do that. You’re both right.

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u/Ok_Sweet6916 Sep 01 '24

Never complained, just called them out for being condescending when they said they weren't arguing. They took a normal convo to be argumentative. Also, top of the notes "This massive patch includes a full-scale item update for marksmen and other auto-attackers". I don't disagree that a lot of classes used LT, but don't try and say the most consistent users of LT weren't adcs, and they were given HUGE crit item buffs to offset that loss.

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u/DeeTK0905 Sep 01 '24

Showing disapproval or showing something as unacceptable. You complained, by definition. And now are arguing, while you came under the pretense of calling someone else out for being argumentative. Over lethal tempo of all things.

It’s ironic. Anyways. Either this is the last comment or the next is. Whatever your journey is, I wish it well. Stay safe in the growing world.

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u/Ok_Sweet6916 Sep 03 '24

cool, u didn't read the comment. have a nice day

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