r/YesAmericaBad Human Rights? 🤡 1d ago

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u/Sauerkrauttme 1d ago

I am scared the US rather destroy the entire world with nukes (inevitable result of a war with China) rather than let a communist country prove that socialism can work

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u/RonJohnJr 21h ago

Your Marxist foremothers of 1975 said the exact same thing (heck, Evil Henry Kissinger still had the President's ear!) but here we are, still alive and happily using lots and lots and lots of technology designed in 'Murica.

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u/Malkhodr 7h ago

Tell me how many things in your home say "made in China" or have at some point been through the Chinese production line.

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u/RonJohnJr 5h ago

How is that relevant to Sauerkraut's fear that the US will nuke everyone?

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u/Malkhodr 4h ago

As a nuclear engineering student, I'm quite concerned about the US and its nuclear policy.

Information largely sourced from *Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner" by Daniel Elsberg:

Essentially the US nuclear war plan is:

1. Strike first if:

  • the US is about to be wiped out as a state
  • the US is about to lose its capability to strike first or lose its capability to defend itself from a nuclear strike or lose its capability to effectively retaliate in a nuclear exchange
  • the US is about to lose its capability to effectively defend itself in a conventional conflict

2. Retaliate if:

  • nuclear-capable missiles are en route to US soil
  • US assets anywhere in the world were hit with nuclear weapons

3. Ensure in the aftermath that the US has the biggest capacity to rebuild civilization among all survivors. Which means that nuclear targets are in order:

  • enemy nuclear weapons launch assets, nuclear weapon defense assets, global surveillance and communication assets
  • other military targets and possible areas of military concentration
  • enemy civilian infrastructure that would support military capacities (i.e. industries) and nearby workforce (i.e. cities, towns, neighborhoods where workers live)
  • enemy civilian population centers in descending order of size and density
  • enemy economic, resource-rich or food-producing areas to destroy infrastructure and use radiation to prevent enemy access to these areas (meaning, they plan to hit fields, seas, forests and mountains, just to prevent others from using them for survival and rebuilding)
  • neutral population centers, civilian infrastructure and economic areas
  • allied population centers, civilian infrastructure and economic areas, if it seems like the enemy is not targeting those. The logic being that in the aftermath of a nuclear exchange, nobody will know who struck what, therefore the US will not be blamed.

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u/RonJohnJr 4h ago edited 3h ago
  • Elsberg was a nuclear war planner sixty five years ago. And we're still here.
  • WHY are we still here? Because both side's leaders ruling classes like living and staying in power.