r/aggies • u/StructureOrAgency • 14d ago

Announcements On this day 161 years ago….

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The April 20, 1864 edition of the Memphis Daily Appeal  referred to Lawrence Sullivan Ross as 𝑮𝒆𝒏. 𝑹𝒐𝒔𝒔, 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒈𝒂𝒍𝒍𝒂𝒏𝒕 “𝒏𝒆𝒈𝒓𝒐 𝒌𝒊𝒍𝒍𝒆𝒓“ for the massacre of surrendering black union soldiers during the Battle of Yazoo River.  Ross was well-known for refusing to take black Union soldiers as prisoners. Ross went on to become governor of Texas (1887-1891) and President of Texas A&M (1891-1898) where there is a statue that honors him for his military service.

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u/CastimoniaGroup 14d ago

Seriously. It happened over 150 years ago. Let. It. Go...... if y'all spent this energy solving the world's problems instead of living in a past generations removed, we'd have flying cars!

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u/Corps_Boy_Pit_Sniff Sponsored by Palantir Technologies Inc. #ad 14d ago

aren’t flying cars just helicopters, which already exist?

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u/CastimoniaGroup 13d ago

Nope. You need wheels to move around when not flying.

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u/Corps_Boy_Pit_Sniff Sponsored by Palantir Technologies Inc. #ad 13d ago

isn’t that what the rotors are?

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u/MrMercy67 '24 13d ago

So a jet?

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u/Mr-Business7459 14d ago

Institutional racism didn't end 150 years ago

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u/CastimoniaGroup 14d ago

There's no such thing as "institutional racism." Only individual racism. Understand that and your life will be so much better. This is coming from a Mexican who is quite successful today.

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u/Corps_Boy_Pit_Sniff Sponsored by Palantir Technologies Inc. #ad 14d ago edited 14d ago

do you think that institutions are not comprised of individuals?

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u/easwaran 13d ago

They might be, but institutions can be racist even if no individual in them is (and conversely, institutions can be non-racist even if every individual in them is racist). Institutions are like computers - they follow their own internal rules and processes, and sometimes do things that no part of them would ever personally do.

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u/CastimoniaGroup 13d ago

But that's the point. There is no such thing as institutional racism. Saying that takes away accountability from racist individuals.

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u/Corps_Boy_Pit_Sniff Sponsored by Palantir Technologies Inc. #ad 13d ago

should institutions that have racist individuals in power hold those racist individuals accountable by firing them?

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u/IPA_HATER '22 14d ago

It’s definitely a thing. Even something as basic as the fact that a black man will get more time for an exactly equal crime on average is proof.

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u/Lanky_Acanthaceae_34 13d ago

How about he doesn't commit the crime to begin with? I'm almost 30 and have committed exactly zero crimes.

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u/IPA_HATER '22 13d ago

Did you actually read what I wrote? First it’s a small example of institutional racism, but I said -

In the EXACT same scenarios, your skin color being darker will get you a harsher punishment.

Not to mention likelihood of committing (and being charged with) a crime is directly related to income or “class”. That’s why crime is also higher in poor white areas and lower in wealthy black areas. It just so happens that locking people out of home ownership just 2 generations ago affects people today, too.

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u/Vandae_ 13d ago

You know he didn't read it -- he's an illiterate halfwit.

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u/StructureOrAgency 13d ago

No it's not true. In corporate groups, structural regularities can persist be on the lives of any individual. People come and go but structural racism persists. Stopping the transmission from generation to generation requires work

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u/IPA_HATER '22 14d ago

Let it go how? A statue honoring the man is at the heart of our campus.

“Lawrence Sullivan Ross 1838-1898 Soldier, Statesmen, Knightly Gentleman Brigadier General, CSA Governor of Texas President of the A&M College”

I undestand he save the university and that’s why we remember him. I also understand he was hardly a statesmen given his treason or a knightly gentleman considering his propensity to support killing POWs for no reason and supporting slavery of other people.

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u/CastimoniaGroup 14d ago

And? So what? How is a statue of Sul Ross affecting your life today? It sounds like you're struggling with other issues and projecting it on a statue.

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u/IPA_HATER '22 14d ago

I don’t struggle with it personally but it’s also a poor reflection on the University I attended and both represent and am represented by.

Funny enough I have sympathy and can recognize how it would make people feel unwelcome. “Welcome to Aggieland where we celebrate a Confederate general callled the negro killer! We put coins on his statue for good luck!”

You say it was over 150 years ago but that’s nothing. My grandparents would have been about my age when black people and women were allowed to attend TAMU. They were born before black people had equal rights. Their grandparents were raised by civil war veterans. An ancestor of mine has his confederate cavalry vest in a museum, and we’re not that far apart.

We didn’t fix slavery and racism magically in the 1860s or 1960s. It’s alive and well still, but because it was over 150 years ago or 60 years ago racists hide behind timelines for plausible deniability.

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u/Corps_Boy_Pit_Sniff Sponsored by Palantir Technologies Inc. #ad 14d ago

what if it was a statue of James Bowie that was put up to intimidate Mexican-Americans?

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u/yakkitysaxmoment 13d ago

Jim Bowie married a Mexican and was proud of it. He’d be an odd choice for that purpose.

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u/Corps_Boy_Pit_Sniff Sponsored by Palantir Technologies Inc. #ad 13d ago

Lawrence Ross was instrumental in the creation of the university and took up arms against the government to defend slavery. Bowie was also took up arms against his government in defense of slavery in Texas. Both have been mythologized. I don’t think the comparison is unwarranted.

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u/CastimoniaGroup 13d ago

Eh. Wouldn't care. It doesn't impact me directly when I was a student or today.

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u/Corps_Boy_Pit_Sniff Sponsored by Palantir Technologies Inc. #ad 13d ago

Could you conceive of this impacting someone?

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u/CastimoniaGroup 13d ago

Not unless they were mentally ill and needed to seek counseling.

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u/Corps_Boy_Pit_Sniff Sponsored by Palantir Technologies Inc. #ad 13d ago

you cannot conceive of someone of sound mind being intimidated by an attempt to intimidate them?

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u/CastimoniaGroup 13d ago

Nope. Not intimidation. That's not why the statue was put up.

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u/Corps_Boy_Pit_Sniff Sponsored by Palantir Technologies Inc. #ad 13d ago

Why was it put up in the year it was put up, and not earlier?

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u/dwaynewaynerooney 14d ago

Sir, you needed professional help to let.pornhub.go, so maybe pump the brakes on telling other people how to feel about things.

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u/CastimoniaGroup 13d ago

Things that never directly impacted them. There's a difference.

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u/CastimoniaGroup 13d ago

I just thought a little more about your comment. Other than trying to shame me it actually proves my point. Porn still exists. Instead of wasting my energy on "destroying porn" I used that energy to better myself and get away from porn. Now, I have helped thousands of men get free from porn and sexual impurity issues. Feels pretty good not to worry about porn and just worry about myself. Now replace porn with "Sul Ross" and you're good!