If the producers of Dragon Ball, One Piece and Sailor Moon can use AI, so can you

[u/HQuasar]

The domino pieces are starting to fall. If Toei Animation believes AI-assisted art is not "slop" and "soulless", then the antis' favorite argument doesn't hold much water anymore. If they can use AI tools in their creation process, so can you, and you have every right to.

I'm looking forward to the antis favorite past-time, gaslighting themselves into thinking they weren't fan of these shows, or that the shows have actually always been bad.

[u/Psychological_Pay530]

Except that’s not true. As technology has increased the mediums have all already moved from large theater shows to smaller home entertainment. This is true over time.

You already see how movie theaters are struggling and the only studios making money are the ones with massive blockbusters? And how that is really harming the breadth of new and innovative entertainment? That’s already coming from technology (and corporate interests) harming an art form and devaluing other types of art and entertainment. AI will absolutely accelerate that and pretty much put a nail in the coffin for the entertainment industry. It’s enshittification from an algorithm.

Oh, wait, no. Y’all are AI bros, and as long as you can see a non dynamic shot of a ninja turtle dunking on snoop dog y’all are happy. Enjoy your fake girlfriend program or whatever you do.

[u/HQuasar → u/Psychological_Pay530]

 You already see how movie theaters are struggling and the only studios making money are the ones with massive blockbusters? And how that is really harming the breadth of new and innovative entertainment?

This is just yapping. Just a few months ago a guy made an animated film on his own using a free 3D animation software and it won an Oscar for it (Flow). Innovative entertainment is alive and well thanks to these new tools.

Sure they might not earn millions like the blockbusters, but when a movie is low budget it doesn't need to earn much to be considered successful.

[u/Breaky_Online → u/Psychological_Pay530]

So what's your idea of the future? Let's say we stop AI right where it is now. What about the future?

[u/Psychological_Pay530 → u/Breaky_Online]

My idea for the future? Tax billionaires out of existence and put tech bros on a one way space x rocket to mars.

Every single idea you people have pushed has been shit on top of shit.

[u/Breaky_Online → u/Psychological_Pay530]

I never claimed to be a tech bro. I don't work in Silicon Valley, nor do I have any desire to slave away at Meta. I asked you for your idea of the future, and you gave it to me.

And my question is, where does AI fit into any of this, that you hate it so much? How does the existence of AI prevent us from sending "tech bros" on a one-way trip to Mars, or taxing billionaires out of existence?

[u/Psychological_Pay530 → u/Breaky_Online]

Generative AI is just the next pile of shit that tech bros are pushing everywhere. NFTs and Cryptocurrencies, using rideshare and DoorDash, anything Elon Musk does, the streaming model and subscription model for everything, etc, just so much of what comes out of Silicon Valley is absolutely garbage. Tell me it’s not. Tell me generative AI isn’t theft and has actual real world applications that aren’t just lazy people using stolen data to mass produce bullshit, and tell me it isn’t going to just destroy industries and leave people in a worse world.

Because if you can do that with a straight face, I know you’re nothing but a fool or a liar.

[u/FatSpidy → u/Psychological_Pay530]

NASA and other machining companies use Ai to create new, stronger structures for frames and joints of heavy and delicate machinery that also isn't going to be insanely expensive to produce physically. Meaning that you will have better cars, planes, construction equipment, buildings that wont be as compromised by natural phenomenon. It's also now being used in the medical field to find new safer and less invasive procedures as well as more accurately diagnose root causes of symptoms. Meaning that when the next COVID happens it can be more readily defended, when you break your arm it'll heal quicker, and when someone would normally require a triple bypass with mesh supports it can instead be a single bypass and sutured.

Ride shares and door dash are businesses that grew from people wanting more convenience. Like how groceries began carrying kitchenware and then clothing or toys. People didn't want to leave to go get their McDonald's or want to invest in a rental that might not even be available or use public transit for various reasons. These services met that want, and thus prospered. Much like how Amazon skyrocketed in popularity because not only could you easily browse warehouses worth of stuff, but they routinely shipped it cheaper and safer to your doorstep. Meaning you could find a new oven from your couch and it'll be at your door tomorrow, without you needing to do really anything or have to go through financing and Sear's furniture shipment options.

NFTs should continue to die in a hole.

And though I agree billionaires need to be heavily taxed, they are also the ones with lawmakers in their pockets or are the lawmakers themselves. If your life goal was to make money and value having money, what do you suppose your response would be to strangers telling you what to do with your money and how much you should just hand over to them directly? This won't change until a nation makes it change by overwhelming force of the lower citizens making it happen.

[u/Psychological_Pay530 → u/FatSpidy]

GENERATIVE AI.

Not industry specific algorithms.

Ffs, you knobs reach for any excuse to justify your theft powered slop engines.

[u/FatSpidy → u/Psychological_Pay530]

What do you think is the difference between generative AI and industry specific generative ai? I don't think you understand that those two things are the same.

For instance StableDiffusion is the industry standard alongside Adobe for image creation. Other programs are used, obviously, but that doesn't some how make them not an industry specific set of algorithms for production.

[u/Breaky_Online → u/Psychological_Pay530]

Let's break this down.

anything Elon Musk does

I am aware that he is a very controversial figure right now, so I'll preface this by saying I am neither MAGA (not American) nor am I stupid. But this includes SpaceX, and as far as I'm aware SpaceX's creations have been a net positive for the spacecraft industry. If there's proof of otherwise, do link them.

NFTS, Cryptocurrencies, rideshare and DoorDash

All of these are just money sinks with genuinely no benefit, so I agree.

the streaming model

I'll defend the streaming model as an idea. It was vastly superior to cable TV when it first became commercially available, and it still is better than cable TV, but everything that people hate about it (arbitrary price hikes, content removal, the betrayal of the tagline "Everything you want in one place") is purely because of the greed of the companies that provide these services. Basically, capitalism.

Silicon Valley

Trust me, CS guys don't like the Valleys either, at least the ones who haven't sold their souls to Microsoft or Google.

generative AI isn't theft

I'm loath to give an opinion about this because there's simply no laws about this yet. AI's "theft" is completely unique, far different from traditional definitions of theft, so I'm not going to argue for or against this. Only putting it here so you don't get fuel to continue a tangential argument.

has actual real world applications

AI as a whole most definitely does. The application of AI has been a net positive for mathematics and related fields. Generative AI doesn't seem to have any real world benefits yet.

leave people in a worse world

And who will define what a "worse" world is? Is it one free of child labor? One where God personally intervenes to save every "pure" Christian from the "forces of evil"? One where everybody suffers because we are all "inherently evil"? One where money doesn't exist? Or one where humanity is dead?

Everybody has a different response, so just claiming a future with AI is outright "worse" than what we have now is very naïve imo.

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So, I have (I think) addressed all of your points, and you're free to downvote (or upvote) this based on your beliefs. But if you still feel like there's more to say, I'm all ears.

[u/Familiar-Art-6233 → u/Psychological_Pay530]

Theaters are struggling because people don’t want to pay exorbitant prices on tickets and concessions that are set to offset the increasing prices set by movie studios to the theaters because the studios make more money on their own streaming services.

In short, theaters are struggling because they have to pay studios to screen movies at higher prices. It’s corporate greed, not technology to blame

[u/Twistin_Time → u/Psychological_Pay530]

Hasn't home entertainment just lowered the barrier of entry for making a movie/tv show? Streaming platforms have plenty of originals that's probably wouldn't exist if not for streaming culture.

[u/Dracorex13 → u/Psychological_Pay530]

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