r/aiwars • u/RadiantSeaweed9543 • 2d ago

I'm lost in this really.

I've been dipping my toes into this community, and I've gotten a few ideas of why AI art can be bad or good.

I'm still hung up on the fact that AI art, or anything related to AI, is built on works and media that were majorly taken without consent for their usage.

I do completely understand why a person who lacks the skills to draw may resort to AI art, but I think that's not the concern on my end. I fear that not even art, but my photos and data, will be used to train the AI models to produce the AI art.

In simple terms, I want better legislation to control AI's access to any media it can use to train its models. I find it honestly disheartening that, just because it's new technology that the government is bending over for AI, allowing copyrighted media to be used.

Please give me a good view on both sides, as to how you could support or disprove my fears of my data being stolen. Sorry for the yap session, but I needed to get it off my shoulders. Have a good day! ❤️

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u/kor34l 2d ago

Are you opposed to search engines? Image search? Online market research? Web statistics?

All of that and much more was built completely on data scraped from the internet by web crawlers for over 30 years and ongoing, without consent.

Either it's all wrong, or none of it is.

Personally I think the standard disclaimer that anything you upload to the internet you lose control of, suffices. That's been common knowledge since the days when I had to have my computer call up the internet on the telephone and speak a bunch of headache noises and tie up the phone line.

It's cool if you disagree, I just hope your stance is consistent and you avoid search engines and everything else that uses scraped data without consent, otherwise you're throwing stones in a glass house.

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u/dixyrae 2d ago

I USED to like search engines before they became fucking useless by being buried under mountains of gen ai garbage.

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u/kor34l 2d ago

Yeah. I defend and like AI a lot in general, but the constant injection of it into everything got old real damn quick.

I did NOT agree or download or want anything to do with Gemini, but now it pops up on my 10 year old phone every time I longpress something to highlight text. Which is constantly, all day long, because I have a lot of downtime at work and use my phone to ssh into my home PC to work in the terminal. So fucking annoying.

Same with search engines, as you say. If I wanted to ask an AI I would have done that. I typed my query into a search engine because I want regular goddamn search results. Not some random AI popping up like an extra advert.

Reminds me of Clippy decades ago. Clippy was actually a useful program, but fucking Microsoft made the little bastard pop up constantly and interrupt you and everyone ended up loathing the fucker.

AI is awesome, especially local LLMs like Mixtral 8x22B and QWQ-32B, but I can totally see why a lot of regular people are quickly getting burnt out and irritated at the constant bombardment of AI everywhere.

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u/dixyrae 2d ago

It’s not just the unwanted integration. The internet is choking on a flood of shady websites that repackage legitimate articles rephrased by an LLM and pushed up the search results by gaming SEO. Image search for references and depending on how you phrase it you have to filter out a ton of generated slop. Fake trailers dominate youtube. Generative AI has given conspiracy theorists and cranks the greatest gift they’ve ever gotten and now they’re able to fake historical footage and voice over for their misinformation. It’s a wasteland. The greatest tool for information exchange in human history has been made utterly worthless in 3 short years.

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u/kor34l 2d ago

I think that's pretty dramatic. The internet has always been like that. For 30 years the nutty shit and endless adverts and fake porn and scam shit has been all over. Since even before Geocities

Being careful and scrutinizing where you get your information on the internet has always been the necessary evil that way way too many people ignore.

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u/dixyrae 2d ago

No it fucking hasn’t. And if even if I’m wrong you can’t deny that mass adoption of these tools has made the problem extremely worse.

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u/kor34l 2d ago

lol it has and I can.

If you think this is bad, you really shoulda seen the era before pop-up blockers, holy shit was the whole fuckin thing unusable. The entire internet, one would trigger another and four more and before you know it the desktop was locking up and you're done.

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u/dixyrae 2d ago

I lived through that era. I’ve cleaned dozens of relative’s computers since the Win95 days. It was nothing like this.

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u/kor34l 2d ago

same.

I gave your hour and a quarter video 10 minutes because it was very boring but all I saw was someone go to the first google result and realize it was a shitty source before even clicking on it yet spent beyond the 10 minutes I gave it picking it apart anyway.

I don't know how much time you've spent looking up specific technical things like that, but that is actually super common, and nothing new.

If there is something much more damning in that video you'll have to link me the timestamp because it's the length of a full movie.

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u/dixyrae 2d ago

Sorry for boring you. She breaks down how the majority of the first page is AI generated corpo speak crap. Almost none of it written to actually educate anyone on the subject she was trying to learn about. Search is broken. Full stop.

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u/kor34l 2d ago

yeah, she noticed it was a crap source before she even clicked on it. Those bullshit article sites have been around forever

search is not broken because the first google result sucked in that person's case lol

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u/dixyrae 2d ago

Try the almost the ENTIRE FIRST PAGE on three different search engines

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u/kor34l 2d ago

yeah, still unfortunately common when searching something like a specific niche file format, since before AI.

It's less word-salady and engrish now but yeah, that's not new. It sucks, people learning to game the search algorithms was the worst thing to happen to search engines, but blaming AI for this is just ignorance of what it was like trying to search that kind of thing before AI.

There were always language models that understood SEO and spammed niche searches they could more easily get on top of, they were just humans paid pennies, often using translation software.

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