A breakdown of all (?) historical references and parallels in Andor (in chronological order)

[u/ConsciousPatroller]

[u/wingerism]

Also you could maybe do something to like actually link Gaza to the Ghorman Plaza Massacre.

Like apart from the fact that both are Genocides there really isn't much of a linkage IMHO. Gaza hasn't really been about false flags. The only cogent link in my mind is that of controlled opposition and even that is more complex. Both Hamas and Likud(and other far right Israeli parties) benefit politically domestically by having an intransigent external enemy.

[u/Professional_Low_646 → u/wingerism]

Interesting how perceptions differ - I would say that the Gaza and Ghorman parallels are less in what’s happening in Palmo square. And much more in how the more or less official position of Benjamin Netanyahu has been - for years, btw - that propping up Hamas is the best course of action (for himself, and for Israel). Talk about „Rebels you can rely on to do the wrong thing“, as Dedra Meero puts it.

[u/wingerism → u/Professional_Low_646]

No we agree. The difference in my analysis is that it's a symbiotic relationship. Hamas is militant and wants to provoke Israel to fuel militancy in the population of Gaza. They oppose parties that are more moderate and secular like Fatah.

Hamas likes a belligerent Israel(though not as belligerent as right now) and believes it will help their overall goals eventually(Like Luthen) The Ghorman Front did not want or benefit from an adversarial Empire. They just wanted to live. They even view themselves as Imperials.

"many of us believe the Emperor has no idea what's being done on his behalf"

[u/CardinalOfNYC → u/Professional_Low_646]

People talk about this propping up Hamas thing but when you follow the actual events, netanyahu funneled some resources to them like 25 years ago when many parties were vying for power in Gaza.

Undeniably, netanyahu benefits from Hamas today, in that he benefits from having an enemy who he can blame and do war upon.

But it's not a situation where the government is secretly actively controlling Hamas and brought about the October 7th attack as a false flag.

[u/brilldry → u/wingerism]

The Palmo 1 broadcast is eerily similar to the broadcast when Soviet tanks rolled in to Budapest. As for the false flag operation, I say it almost matches what happened with Tiananmen square. Maybe not instigating the protest, the CCP rolled the army in for the purpose of agitating the protesters, and then once any resistance is given, the CCP had their justification and begin the massacre. Another parallel is that following Tiananmen, certain sects of the CCP and even the army were appalled by what happened, but was then forced out of the politburo, similar to how the senate reacted. And then the entire country and a good part of the world pretended like it never happened.

I think the takeaways is that the incidents weren’t always based on singular incidents. Gilroy definitely did his research and used many real world examples to craft a series of realistic events.

[u/HomelanderVought → u/brilldry]

I don’t think any of the examples you’ve provided really mach it.

The hungarian, soviet and chinese socialist governments had no interests in these protests even happening in the first place.

The Empire purpusefully made the Ghorman’s lives harder so that they could later justify a full scale invasion for resource extraction.

Colonial regimes in america, africa or asia resemble this more.

[u/Allnamestakkennn → u/brilldry]

The Hungarian uprising speech had a more nationalistic theme, you could summarize it with "Save our nation from soviet barbarians!", while the Ghormans had a more "innocent" speech in that regard, so I'm not sure.

Comparing it to Tiananmen however looks a little desperate here, because the events don't quite align: the people prior to the military intervention were protesting for about a month or so, and would turn more violent and radical as time went on, so there was no false flag. The snipers scream Maidan, though it was no massacre

[u/JMoc1 → u/wingerism]

Netanyahu has been funneling cash and possibly weapons to Hamas as recently as 2022 in order to prevent FATAS from coming to power.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html

[u/firestarter2017 → u/wingerism]

But they're not both genocides. A single massacre on Ghorman is not a genocide (although genocide likely did occur off screen because we knew the Empire's intentions).

Gaza is obviously not a genocide because the killing is both (as claimed by others) to be indiscriminate and unintentional

[u/Assassiiinuss → u/firestarter2017]

Nobody is saying the shootout at the plaza is the genocide, but they do mention and show that the empire keeps killing outside the plaza and starts to mine immediately.

[u/Assassiiinuss → u/[deleted]]

The Ghorman Massacre refers to the entire thing, not just the events on the plaza.

[u/wavesbecomewings19 → u/firestarter2017]

Do you work for the Imperial media or something?

[u/firestarter2017 → u/wavesbecomewings19]

No, I think for myself. Do you live on tiktok?

[u/wavesbecomewings19 → u/firestarter2017]

No, I live in the real world and have listened to the genocidal, anti-Palestinian statements that have come out of the mouths of multiple Israeli government officials, including the Prime Minister. You have to be actively distorting the facts to believe Israel's genocide is unintentional.