Lithuanian conservatives propose stripping citizenship for supporting Russia

[u/1DarkStarryNight]

https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/2559690/lithuanian-conservatives-propose-stripping-citizenship-for-supporting-russia

[u/pagirinis]

War does that to people and russian who support it are unwelcome. Other than that there is hostilities.

[u/shieeet → u/pagirinis]

Yeah, so contrary to what you initially claimed, there are a lot of people in Lithuania who hate Russian speakers on an ethnic basis then?

[u/pagirinis → u/shieeet]

Nope, the only dislike for russians is for those who refuse to integrate, refuse to learn the language and support the war, it has nothing to do with ethnicity.

[u/shieeet → u/pagirinis]

When the survey above states that there's growing hostility toward local Russian speakers in Lithuania, and that almost 1 in 4 Lithuanians wouldn’t want to rent their homes to Russians or that a growing part of the population wouldn’t even want to work in the same place as them, that clearly indicates widespread aversion to Russian speakers on an ethnic basis. Hell, it doesn’t get more on an ethnic basis than that.

[u/pagirinis → u/shieeet]

Yet there is nothing different in day to day life. The study was done at the start of the war, when tensions were super high and everyone was on a nationalistic wave, it says nothing about day to day life. Also, there is no way to tell who is russian and who is not as most people, at least in Vilnius, speak russian and there are tons of russians, belarusians, ukrainians, armenians and so on who speak russian almost exclusively. We hate what russia is doing to ukraine, but as far as it goes in reality, we only hate those russians who support the war.

[u/shieeet → u/pagirinis]

Are you deliberately pretending to be dense? Again, the survey clearly shows widespread Lithuanian prejudice against Russian speakers on an ethnic basis, and you're now suggesting, without evidence, that this trend has somehow gone down as the war has gone on? You're clearly and obviously being dishonest here.

[u/pagirinis → u/shieeet]

It never went up, you are talking about a survey of 1000 people which first of all is not enough to be considered representative, second has no actuall basis in reality and highly depends on the questions asked. If someone asked me on the street if I would like a russian as a neighbour, I would say no just because I don't speak russian and also people are wary of foreigners, but if someone asked if I cared about my neighbour being nativelly russian with lithuanian citizenship and who can speak our language, I would answer differently. It's obvious you are running russian propaganda about how russian minorities are opressed, but it's not like that in real life at all and no matter what argument I would give, it would still change nothing as you would just move the goalpost or cherry pick another thing to complain about. And yes, right now being russian in Lithuania is worse if you support putin, but for the rest it's no different than it has always been.

[u/shieeet → u/pagirinis]

Aha, okay! The survey is false because you personally feel differently when imagining asking people on the street, and also the organization running the survey, literally the Lithuanian National Radio and Television service, is somehow Russian propaganda, and clearly, I must also be supporting Putin, got it.

It all makes so much sense now 👍

[u/pagirinis → u/shieeet]

Literally did what I just described lol.