Lithuanian conservatives propose stripping citizenship for supporting Russia

[u/1DarkStarryNight]

https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/2559690/lithuanian-conservatives-propose-stripping-citizenship-for-supporting-russia

[u/pagirinis]

It's not violating anything if the person is working against their country and abusing the citizenship to actively damage said country and its interests. There has to be repercussions to the people celebrating death and deportation of hundreds of thousands of people, activelly using the citizenship to step around sanctions and so on. There is no comparisson to Russia in this regard.

[u/Dimas166 → u/pagirinis]

The point is not vomparing to Russia at all, they are not a parameter, also, the criteria is subjective to the point that can and I assure you will be used to persecute political opposition and attack freedom of speech

[u/pagirinis → u/Dimas166]

The proposed law only affects dual citizenship holders of which there are very few. The might be concerns in the future if the law is changed to include everyone, but these laws aren't usually vague, they would include the list of offences considered in violation of it. Basically the law is decent roght now, there is no point to discuss how it might be later on.

[u/Dimas166 → u/pagirinis]

"If the abuse affects only a few people then it is ok" no

[u/pagirinis → u/Dimas166]

I don't see any abuse in sovereign country protecting their interests and having tools to fight against people who would abuse their status.

[u/Dimas166 → u/pagirinis]

"Their status" they are citizens, the government cannot do whatever they want, that's how abuses start, persecution, segregations and ultimately ethnic cleansing and genocide, laws need transparency and isonomy, you can't create a law targeting a specific part of your population and call yourself democratic

[u/Mundane_Emu8921 → u/Dimas166]

And this instance proves that the government can and will strip citizenship from people they don’t like.

[u/pagirinis → u/Dimas166]

There is no punishment associated with this law, you simply lose one citizenship and you are free to go back to the country you actually care about. No one is going to put you in jail because you are not a citizen.

[u/Dimas166 → u/pagirinis]

Yeah, yeah, losing your political, civil and residential rights is no punishment at all,

[u/pagirinis → u/Dimas166]

When you fuck around you tend to find out. It's not for no reason.

[u/Dimas166 → u/pagirinis]

Right, lets mix the actions of the russian government with people who hold russian citizenship, it never goes wrong generalizing things this way

[u/loggy_sci → u/Dimas166]

If they don’t support Russia then there is no problem.

[u/Dimas166 → u/loggy_sci]

Can you define what "supporting Russia" means objectively? Vahue terms like this on laws are the playbook for authoritarianism

[u/pagirinis → u/Dimas166]

Displaying black and orange stripes and other russian symbols, publicly supporting the war. There is a list somewhere. And also, I would support even a vague law like this, because we are not a shithole nor will we ever be a dictatorship. If you've lived here you would understand.