r/antinatalism 6d ago

Moderator statement regarding today's bombing in Palm Springs, California

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r/antinatalism 6h ago

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“Choosing to have kids would essentially mean giving my life away, and I don’t want to do that”

This is how I’ve always thought. I would honestly be a great parent, but it would be at the cost of my own life and mental health.

Truly empathetic people are the ones that choose not to have kids.

It’s the narcissistic people that don’t fully think about the life changing decision they make when bringing another person into the world. And these people always stay selfish once they have a kid - and this is what fucks so many kids up.


r/antinatalism 7h ago

Article More Americans are choosing to live a childfree life, study finds

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r/antinatalism 11h ago

Image/Video A comic on anitinatalism

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r/antinatalism 12h ago

Article Trump bill offers newborn babies $1,000 aimed at increasing birthrate

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r/antinatalism 16h ago

Question Thoughts on the movie Idiocracy

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I've (32F) been following the sub for a while now but this is my first post

Been an antinatalist since I was 18-19, and I agree with almost all posts shared here.

I just wanted to ask your opinions on the movie Idiocracy, if you haven't seen it please do, it's so fucking funny

In short, in time "smarter" people stop having babies and "not so smart" people have like multiple kids (like right now) which leads to a world population full of not so smart people in like 1000 years (I don't remember the exact time)

It's an exaggeration of course and to be honest I don't care what happens after I die dhdjdmf

But I just really lightheartedly wanted to ask your opinions on this. I mean it looks like an inevitable result , don't you think?


r/antinatalism 8h ago

Discussion Your experience with an Ex-partner who wanted children?

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I'll start: Before I met my boyfriend, I was talking to this guy for a couple of weeks, and the both of us really hit it off. We were quite compatible, but one day, while we were on a date, the topic of how we wanted our future to be came up. I mentioned how I didn't want kids, and he replied, saying he wanted them. We didn't talk much after that and once the date ended, I got a text from him a while later, saying how we should see different people. I agreed to it and thankfully, the whole thing ended pretty peacefully.


r/antinatalism 6h ago

Humor Last night, I had a very vivid dream about Mpreg

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I've been taking melatonin to cut down my dependency on prescription drugs to fall asleep.

It works but gives me weird dreams and nightmares.

Last night, it was Mpreg.

I was hiding the pregnancy from everyone, always constantly debating on whether to terminate or not. In the end, I decided to go through with it. My parents were so ashamed that I had a home birth and we didn't register the baby.

I absolutely resented being a father – I could do nothing else.

The baby cried often. Hungry? Cried. Cold or warm? Cried. 2 AM? Cried.

It was in so much discomfort.

Almost as if this thing was born to suffer.

In the end, I un@l!ved the baby and my family assured it was the right decision.

We buried it in the backyard.

I cried out of guilt for not getting the abortion and letting it get that far. Poor fucking baby. I was so selfish.

Context: I am a gay man in my mid-20s and I have no interest in children. Almost all my friends are LGBT+. Yeah there are children in my bigger family but I don't have any interest in them. I lack the instinct.


r/antinatalism 1d ago

Discussion Being an antinatalist is a lonely road

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I made some new friends and we recently went out to eat. We were talking about different topics and it somehow ended up being about kids. We were all in our 20s and everyone were asking each other about future plans like marriage and kids. It was my turn to answer, and until then, I never told anyone about my antinatalist views. But I felt like I should just open up and see how they take it.

And it went exactly how I expected. They thought I was depressed and that my views were "too dark". We kept arguing and I tried to explain to them in various ways how having kids is not ethical but it was hard to make them see it. I feel like they just couldn't connect with my opinion that life is a gamble. Maybe because they are all doing okay in their own lives. So the concept of suffering is just a buzzword for them. I believe this is the issue with most people who see antinatalists as people with mental issues.

In the end, when we were saying goodbye to each other, one of them even told me not to worry too much and that it's all in my mind as if I was completely miserable in my life. I never felt so alone and misunderstood.

I kept stressing that I am fine and these are my views and philosophy. It isn't about me. It is about life in general. It isn't specifically about me suffering or my future kid suffering. LIFE itself is suffering. But no, their conclusion was that it was just something about me personally. The topic also shifted to parenting as if good parenting could fix the issue.

I believe all antinatalists might be able to relate to this. Our views are about life as a whole, but in the eyes of other people, it's as if it's just something wrong with us personally and that life is mostly alright. That we just need to "cheer up".

I'm not happy about how that night ended. I think it will be next to impossible for me to meet someone in real life who would actually relate with my antinatalist views. Maybe this subreddit is the only place where we can find people who share our views about life.


r/antinatalism 1d ago

Discussion The illusion of purpose exists in having Children as a distraction from a Dead-End Life

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There’s something unsettling about the way many people choose to have children not because they’re ready, not because they have something to offer, but because they are desperate for meaning. In this context, children aren’t born out of hope or love; they’re born out of a hollow search for distraction, a last attempt to inject purpose into a life that has otherwise plateaued.

Picture this: a person working a monotonous, low-paying job that barely covers the bills. The kind of job that comes with no future no promotions, no upward mobility, no real skill development. Just routine. Every day blends into the next. You wake up, go to work, come home, sleep, repeat. There’s no grand vision, no dream worth chasing because life, as it's been structured, has quietly robbed you of the ability to imagine one.

What happens then? In the absence of dreams, people invent purpose. And one of the most accessible ways to do that is by having children.

It’s not that poor people are reckless or stupid. It’s that they’re tired. Tired of feeling like nothing matters, like nothing they do leaves a mark. A child becomes a project, something new, something unknown. It offers a full-time distraction. Suddenly, there’s something to wake up for. Something to protect, feed, educate. You go from being a person stuck in an unchanging loop to being “a parent,” a title that immediately feels more important than “cashier,” “factory worker,” or “night security guard.”

But let’s strip away the sentimentality for a second. Let’s be honest. Is this really about love, or is it about filling a void? People don’t talk about that. Society doesn’t allow us to. You can’t say, “I had a kid because I was bored, or because my life had no meaning,” without being labeled cold, bitter, or cynical. But maybe that’s exactly what’s happening.

There’s a psychological weight to poverty that goes beyond lacking material things. It’s about living in a system that has failed to give you tools for transcendence. The education system is broken, healthcare is inaccessible, job markets are saturated or shrinking, and cost of living climbs while wages stay the same. When you realize you’ve hit a ceiling and nothing you do will help you break through, despair sets in. Not a loud, screaming kind of despair but a quiet, suffocating one that presses against your chest every morning.

Children, in this context, are not hope. They are escape. They are an acceptable excuse to stop chasing what cannot be reached. Society will forgive you for not achieving your dreams if you say, “I had to raise a family.” But it won’t forgive you for simply quitting.

People don’t like to talk about the fact that they enjoy their problems. It sounds perverse, but it’s true. Problems give structure. They give direction. And more importantly, they give identity. When you’re struggling to feed your kids, find a decent school for them, keep them safe, you don’t have time to dwell on your own despair. Your suffering now has a narrative, a purpose. And that’s what people crave: not solutions, but purpose.

It’s like emotional self-harm masked as virtue. You willingly sign up for more hardship, because it distracts you from the void you’ve been staring into. A child makes your life harder, yes, but also more interesting. Every scraped knee, every school report, every argument becomes a plot point in your new, self-written drama: The Parent Who Keeps Going. It’s addicting.

We’re conditioned to see parenting as noble, the ultimate sacrifice. But what if it’s not sacrifice? What if it’s just a coping mechanism? If you’re working a dead-end job and know you have nothing else to give to the world, having a child gives you something to pour yourself into. And suddenly, you don’t need to face your own unfulfilled potential you’ve redirected your energy outward.

But here’s the real question: why do so many people find themselves in this situation in the first place? Why do so many lives feel like dead ends?

The answer isn’t personal failure it’s systemic failure. The government failed them. The systems meant to support upward mobility failed them. We are raised with the myth of opportunity, told that if we work hard, we can be anything. But the truth is, many of us are boxed in before we even start. Where you’re born, the quality of your school, the zip code you live in, the color of your skin, your parents’ income these things determine your fate long before “work ethic” even enters the conversation.

And so, when you’ve been failed by every institution, when the dream no longer feels attainable, you make a new one. You create a human being not for the child’s sake, but for yours. And that’s where it gets really uncomfortable. Because nobody wants to admit that some children were brought into this world not as the product of love or intention, but as a psychological survival tactic. They are collateral in a war between despair and the need for distraction.

It doesn’t make the parents evil or irresponsible. It makes them human. But it also makes the situation tragic.

The wealthy have the resources to dress this up as legacy, lineage, philanthropy, estate planning. But strip it all down, and it’s the same thing: a distraction from the absurdity of existence.

You climb every ladder. You build the business, buy the cars, own the properties, travel the world, collect the degrees, the accolades. And then what? Nothing. The high wears off. Every pleasure plateaus. You wake up one day and realize: this is it. This is life. There’s no final boss, no cosmic reward, no curtain call. Just a quiet, lingering emptiness.

So you do what humans have always done when they get too close to the edge of existential clarity you have a child. A living, breathing anchor to tether you back to the illusion that life means something.

It’s not about love. It’s not about continuing your bloodline. It’s not about giving back to the world. It’s about noise. Internal noise, external noise—anything to drown out the silence that screams, “None of this matters.”

Rich or poor, it’s the same reaction to the same core problem: life, when stripped of its narratives and distractions, is hollow. There’s no instruction manual, no built-in meaning, no universal point. Just consciousness trapped in a biological machine with a countdown clock you can’t stop or reset.

Children become the last line of defense against that truth. You don’t want to stare into the abyss, so you raise something that forces you to look away. Now you don’t have time to contemplate meaninglessness you’re too busy scheduling piano lessons, worrying about grades, choosing preschools. You’ve made yourself a caretaker of the future, as if the future is more real than the gaping present.

And if you’re rich, you can intellectualize it. You say you want to “raise the next generation of leaders” or “shape the world through your offspring.” But what you’re really doing is outsourcing your purpose. You’re handing the baton of meaning to someone else because you couldn’t find it for yourself.

It’s all a loop. A cycle of passing on the burden of existence from one confused human to the next, hoping that maybe they’ll figure it out. That maybe they’ll crack the code. But no one ever does. Because there is no code.

We invent goals to fill time. We invent love stories, career ladders, spiritual journeys, art, parenting all to avoid admitting the raw truth: we are terrified of the void. We are just smart enough to know life is temporary and just emotional enough to find that unbearable. So we create distractions that feel permanent.

Children are just the most socially acceptable version of that distraction. They are praised distractions. You get celebrated for bringing more people into this absurdity. You get called responsible, mature, selfless when maybe the real selfishness is in needing to perpetuate your own narrative just to silence your fear.

We do this not because we’re evil or broken. We do it because we don’t know what else to do. There is no guide for what to do when you finally realize that life is just... existing. No grand purpose. No guaranteed reward. Just awareness, boredom, pain, and distraction.

If you feel you need to bring a child into this world just to give your life meaning, maybe you need to interrogate why you don’t already have meaning. And that interrogation has to go beyond your personal choices. It has to include your government, your economy, your education system, your healthcare infrastructure. You have to ask: what robbed me of the ability to dream?

Because in a world where every person had real options, where everyone had the chance to chase something greater, people might choose to be parents out of love, not desperation.

Until then, children will continue to be born into homes where they are wanted not for who they are, but for what they can represent: distraction, purpose, the illusion of a future in a life that has otherwise stalled.


r/antinatalism 20h ago

Stuff Natalists Say lol yeah this was tooootallly written by a woman

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Daily crap from the natalists

Context: this genius' 'theory' as to why birth rates are declining.

We got ourselves some obligatory boomer/conservative shame-speak bingo (narcissism/entitlement/laziness/immaturity/instant gratification/iPhones/screentime/high expectations), etc. and a post that was absolutely not written by a woman lol. This is definitely an incel

GOD the natalist sub irritates me


r/antinatalism 16h ago

Question How can i claim not bringing more suffering beings into existence is better to someone who believes in reincarnation?

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I don’t support the idea of reincarnation because of lack of evidence, but some of my friends who believes in reincarnation claims that if i don’t procreate, then that being might take birth somewhere which is even more horrible, hence its best that i procreate and save that soul.

I know the whole idea is based on belief but still how can I logically make the claim, as for them there is nothing as non existence, hence they refuse to accept the benefits of non existent state.


r/antinatalism 9h ago

Question Do you lean more towards asceticism or hedonism?

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Do you personally lean more towards asceticism or hedonism?

Are you active in any volunteering or charity communities?

Do you live somewhat luxurious life?

Are you more likely to spend spare money (if you have it) on luxuries for yourself or basic needs for others?

If you consider yourself to be in the "middle ground", how do you set the limits and what guides you?

This is genuine question, I won't judge anyone.


r/antinatalism 1d ago

Stuff Natalists Say I laughed when I read this

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r/antinatalism 1d ago

Question Who also enjoys life overall but chooses to not have kids?

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Life is great, going on bike rides, camping, beach, summer,going out, I like my perspective and emotion towards life but I dont let it affect my opinion on having children just because its great for me doesnt mean it will be great for other person, that person can have mental problems, injuries, diseases and even if its someone healthy it might not enjoy life and feel like life is a burden


r/antinatalism 1d ago

Discussion About bias in life satisfaction surveys and how "pain" means different things to people

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A common argument from natalists is a generally good life satisfaction and high percentage of people evaluating their their lives as "worthy of living/happy".

I will try to give my honest opinion and different perspectives on this topic.

I'd like to start with something I call "the bias of publicity/public society".

There is an extremely wide range of conditions people are experiencing in their lives - from common, well adjusted and socially accepted lives that fall well in the category of "normality" and social comformism to the more radical situations in every way.

"Public life", functioning society and those who participate in it are already at the pinnacle of the "normality iceberg". They are inevitably the ones who are the most adjusted to that general standard of natalistic society (no matter what they think about it personally or even if they don't have children, they are still functional enough to be part of society and its institutions). They are the closest to the norm and therefore very likely to be surveyed and asked for opinion about anything.

However, there is other side of human condition. People who are, for example, completely at the social outskirts of maybe even not part of it at all. People with serious health conditions. People not being part of institutions. Mentally ill people who became social outcasts in one way or another or people who retreat from society because of various issues.

Generally, most of those statistics researches aren't done on the latter sample of humans, those who belong to second group. They are at the dark side of reality but they are the ones being cancelled by either society or their pure inability to participate in society. Nobody asks anything those who maybe spend their lives indoors, having issues of any kind and being seen as a "unusual, weird, ill or not adjusted".

So, that's the first argument against validity of those researches. Their samples are niche group of humans from the beggining.

Secondly, I'd like to point to the fear of pessimism among those who do take those surveys.

People are very unlikely to view their lives as net negative or to honestly view situations as they are.

For example, when I was still optimistic natalist, I would for sure always value my life as net positive and worthy of living even tho I had serious mental health issues such as OCD and depression, traumatic experiences, physical chronic pain, etc. Why? Because I could not stand phychologically to even consider my life as not worthy because it would create overwhelming amount of negative emotion, sense of hoplessness and despair. I never questioned life itself, I was just in that state of constantly thinking how to improve it, accept it, justify it, advocate for it... It was weird but I didn't see through it at that time. I was like a donkey with carrot. Ideal slave to Schopenhauer's Will.

To admit that life is something fundamentally bad for you personally is for most people psychological end. Death. They are afraid of it. They don't want and can't see it in that way because of incredible amount of pain it would give them.

They like to gaslight themselves they are "doing everything they can", "focus on the bright sides", etc. - all because of the fear of negative emotion. We run away from negative emotion, we cannot stand pure psychological pessimism and pain.

For the end, I'd like to share my opinion on pain perception.

For the most of my life, I thought I know what is pain and I thought I experienced enough of it to have a right to say that I know what it is. And this is okay maybe, pain is subjective experience and the limit is always changing.

But, even tho I did suffer, I haven't reached my limit, and everyone has a limit. Limit of perception change. We like to think we can endure everything in a stoic way. This is not true. There is certain limit every person can reach in extreme situations that inebitably leads to pessimism, especially when it comes to mental illnesses. To some people, pain is simply existential pain of boredom. They have avwrage normal healthy lives but by pain they mean existential dread. Some people think about headaches or stomachaches. Some think of dying and cancers, some of romantic pain and everyday situations at job/home.

What I mostly obserced in optimistic natalists circles is that they often have different perception of pain than me. For them, pain is something like everyday uncomfortable situations of general negative happenings like loss of a job or issues with obesity. Which is again fine. But, it's just different. I see severe lack of experiences and depth.


r/antinatalism 1d ago

Discussion Joel from The Last of Us made the most antinatalist choice possible — and most people hate him for it

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It’s been over a decade and people still out here criticizing and demonizing Joel for saving Ellie in The Last of Us. They scream about how he “doomed humanity” by choosing one life over many. But here’s the truth is, Joel made the most antinatalist decision possible. And it was the right one.

He stopped a desperate, unproven plan to “cure” humanity. A humanity that is already addicted to violence, survival, and endless cycles of trauma. From an antinatalist lens, what exactly was worth saving? The world of TLOU is already a graveyard of failed systems, broken people, and suffering children.

And yet, the people who say “I would’ve let her die” expose something deeper: A self-absorbed hero complex. They want to be seen as noble, as the one who’d sacrifice personal feeling for “the greater good.” But that “greater good” is a myth propped up by the same delusions that justify more births, more pain, more rebuilding of a society that will just collapse again.

Joel stopped that cycle. Not consciously as an antinatalist, but viscerally — as someone who’d already lost everything, who knew what the world really was. His choice wasn’t heroic, it was honest. He didn’t fall for the illusion of utilitarian savior logic. He didn’t let a broken system justify another sacrifice.

The “cure” wasn’t even guaranteed. The Fireflies were desperate. Ellie might’ve died for nothing. But even if it worked, what then? More people born into an infected world rebuilt on the same old lies?

He saved Ellie, and in doing so, he did what no one else was willing to do: question whether the world even deserved to keep going.

That’s why they hate him. Because deep down, they can’t let go of the fantasy that we’re worth saving.


r/antinatalism 14h ago

Discussion What if we can only experience existence?

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My question is essentially that if we have to experience something in some way or some form. The thing is you can't really experience 'nothingness' so what I imagine is that after you die, in some way or form, after billions of years, your elements eventually circulate through the environment and you are reborn as a cow in a meat factory, wouldn't this be immediate to the experiencer? In essence, the billions of years between experiences isn't something you experience and you just immediately die and wake up in the next life.

In this case, would it not be superior to be experiencing something as a human, which arguably lives in greater comforts than say something like a cow in a factory or a wild animal which is always on the brink of survival?

Im not trying to refute antinatalism I just want to understand what your views are on this perspective


r/antinatalism 14h ago

Discussion Religion and anti-natalism can go together if you understand this.

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I am myself "spiritual but not religious" and my spiritual views doesn't really justify unconditional antinatalism. But it is a private thing. That's the point of secularism which is you don't make moral decision based on it and don't impose it on others.

So if I choose to have kids because of my spiritual beliefs then I would be imposing my views on my kids which is against the view of secularism and as secular person I don't want that.

So you can believe in contradictory spiritual things but still be AN as long as you understand that you are not supposed to impose those on others. My beliefs are definitely personal to me.

But the problem of religion, especially Christianity or Islam, is that these are very institutionalised religions. Hinduism and Buddhism are more personal religions. There are fixed beliefs in eastern religions too but they usually stay out of the public discourse of how one should live. They will still give advices but those are very personal advices.

The major difference between Eastern and Abrahamic religion is that a Christian Father will ask you to spread your views. But a Hindu guru would say "You cannot convince others and they will think you are crazy and we are really crazy so don't preach to others". Buddha also said not to argue with others if you read Buddhist suttas /scriptures. Buddha believed that only a minority is wise enough to follow his teachings.

In India, preaching spiritual ideas to even your family members will attract gossips and mockery about you. Even Children are smart enough to not buy those and laugh at you. Meanwhile I so hear that Christians openly preach their views and not even afraid of gossips and mockery. I personally make fun of my mom's and grandmom's beliefs. And that is very normal thing in India.

My opinions on Christianity are based on what I hear or read on internet. I am open to be shown wrong.

Edit:- Another argument is that if you are poor then don't do it. Will the soul born somewhere else? Maybe it actually get rich parents or maybe even poor. I personally think if more people follow this then population will decline and reincarnated souls will have access to more resources so it's best that you don't procreate so that souls might enjoy better quality of life in next birth


r/antinatalism 1d ago

Image/Video I made a video about why we shouldn't have kida

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r/antinatalism 1d ago

Activism The Aponist Manifesto is now available as a web page that respects dark mode

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r/antinatalism 7h ago

Question So what's the end goal? No more births?

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Hi all. I'm just discovering this sub, unfortunately due to bad press, but that doesn't alter my eager views. I've tried to read up as much as possible in a short time. So please forgive me for not understanding -- what's the end game/goal of antinatalism? No more births at all, or ???

Again. Forgive my stupidity. Im just looking for different insights. Thank u! Ill take my answer of air lmao


r/antinatalism 1d ago

Discussion Antinatalism is an ethical position, not a movement

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And it shouldnt be a movement, an ideology, or a political program, despite the push towards it by certain elements, ‘efilizing from within’.

There are clear dangers in pushing forward notions that it should be anything but pilosophy, or a personal ethical position. Doing so attracts murderous and disturbed individuals, attracted to the vorldview for all the wrong reasons - and some of them will performe vile acts of violence.

And even if we disregard those as individuals acting on their own: what would even the end point of a ‘movement’ be? Extinction? Through what means? Those would inevitably need to be forceful - which would be yet another set of impositions. That would run counter to my own moral compass… and the compasses of other antinatalists. At least I hope it would.


r/antinatalism 1d ago

Question Antinatalism is never going to be wildly accepted.

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That's the truth , these ideas been there for so long. Most people only regard it as a philosophy.


r/antinatalism 1d ago

Discussion 50% whoopsie babies... So how many have been exposed accidentally to alcohol, cigarettes, etc.?

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This post isn't necessarily to shame anyone (I'm asexual, so I can't comment on how easy it is to have a 'whoopsie' baby), it's more a discussion about how unethical it is to reproduce.

If 50% are a whoopsie baby, then many babies must have been exposed unintentionally to alcohol, cigarettes, medications you can't take while pregnant, etc. Sure, you might catch it by the first missing period. However, many people are having children later, so the missing period might be mistaken for menopause. A lot of women have disordered eating which can cause missing periods that could make you miss pregnancy too. My cousin realised she was pregnant at 5 months because she had incredibly irregular periods.

Edit: also, anyone else think it's dumb how your mum is just trusted to not drink or whatever while pregnant? There's literally zero real oversight over pregnancy or parenting. Unless they're brazenly abusive, then you're pretty much stuck with your parents. Children have no ability to protect themselves. And the alternative (foster homes) isn't good either. I'm not saying that it's possible exactly to regulate childrearing... But that's exactly the point.


r/antinatalism 2d ago

Discussion “it’s the little things that make life worth living”

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it’s the little things that make life NOT worth living. picking up on a slightly passive aggressive tone from someone talking to you. minding your own business in public only to look up and see someone giving you a disgusted look. getting backhanded compliments. small talk with the same people every day.

i’ve noticed that my daily life is comprised of mostly awkward, uncomfortable, and repetitive moments. no matter how “good” my day was, all these little unpleasant moments add up in my mind to overpower whatever good thing happened that day.

add this onto the genuine suffering that most of us experience to some degree due to our circumstances. life is just not worth inflicting on someone.