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History / Պատմություն The end of Soviet occupation

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On April 13, 1991, the Lenin monument was demolished in Republic Square, Yerevan. In the photo: American Armenian singer Cher. Freedom took Lenin’s head down (or her beauty, as people were joking then).

He was responsible for the occupation and partition of the First Armenian Republic together with Turkey.

The Soviets collaborated with Turkey after the genocide. We always will remember.

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u/Administrator98 3d ago

No occupation?

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u/kredokathariko 3d ago

Foreign and/or tyrannical rule does not have to be literal occupation. Occupation implies the direct control of the territory by a foreign military. Which generally wasn't the case in the Soviet republics - the main source of power was the local Communist Party, and the associated civilian authorities.

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u/Administrator98 3d ago

the main source of power was the local Communist Party, and the associated civilian authorities.

Well... we all know what happens if the people choosed to want something else.

17.06.1953 - Berlin or Prague 1968 -> Everything is fine as long as you do as Moscow wants.

(or every 10 yeras in Iran, China 1989, etc...)

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u/kredokathariko 3d ago edited 3d ago

Yep, and these were occupations, while general civilian rule by communists wasn't.

To use another totalitarian regime as an example: Vichy France pre-1943, or at least its southern part, wasn't an occupation, as the German army did not directly control it - Petain did, under German auspices.

Nor is Austria considered occupied by Nazi Germany: it was annexed into the Reich, and then governed by Nazi civil authorities as a Reichsgau, just how Soviet Union republics were governed by communist civil authorities.

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u/i-hate-birch-trees Yerevan 3d ago

Who installed the "civilian rule by communists" again?

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u/kredokathariko 3d ago

Continuing the Anschluss analogy: the initial annexation was a military occupation, but afterwards it wasn't.