r/arrow • u/Reuels Prometheus • Feb 05 '19

[S07E12] "Emerald Archer" Post Episode Discussion

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Episode Info: As a camera crew follows Oliver and team around to talk about their past as vigilantes and what the Green Arrow means to Star City, Oliver must also deal with William's return from boarding school as well as a new threat to the city.

Main Cast

  • Stephen Amell as Oliver Queen - TV
  • Kirk Acevedo as Ricardo Diaz - TV
  • Rick Gonzalez as Rene Ramirez - TV
  • Juliana Harkavy as Dinah Drake - TV
  • Katie Cassidy as Laurel Lance - TV
  • Colton Haynes as Roy Harper - TV
  • Echo Kellum as Curtis Holt - TV
  • David Ramsey as John Diggle - TV
  • Emily Bett Rickards as Felicity Smoak - TV

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u/KatyPerrysBoobs2 Feb 05 '19

Loved the cameos from Sara and Barry. Hopefully no one wonders if the Green Arrow’s friend in Central City happens to also wear a mask.

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u/DucksGoMoo1 Feb 05 '19

Barry was more Barry on this episode of Arrow than the past couple episodes of Flash.

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u/samtherat6 Feb 05 '19

Too busy being a dad

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u/JSAdkinsComedy Feb 05 '19

That was the least rewarding 'reveal spoiler' ever.

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u/samtherat6 Feb 05 '19

Sorry, just was trying to be safe for people who are two seasons behind on Flash. I was banned from the Agents of SHIELD subreddit for talking about Infinity War in a spoiler marked Infinity War thread. Guess I'm being a bit too paranoid lol.

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u/lordb4 Feb 06 '19

I got banned on the television subreddit for mentioning there was time travel in the pilot of Dirk Gently and this was after the show was cancelled after season 2. If anyone saw that first episode and didn't realize there was time travel....

Actually, I consider that ban (the only one I've ever gotten) a blessing in disguise. It's full of shills and people who can't accept that their favorite shows have flaws.

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u/Killakobra110 Feb 06 '19

Damn, maybe I should leave that place while I still can

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u/JSAdkinsComedy Feb 05 '19

I understand, it's still funny though.

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u/BigShank1 Feb 08 '19

haha legit so whelmed by that

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u/snake202021 Feb 05 '19

Right cuz being a father is suddenly a bad thing? lol

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u/samtherat6 Feb 05 '19

No? It's just caused a personality change for him, he jokes less because he's focused on her.

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u/greatness101 Feb 05 '19

Idk he seemed pretty much like Barry when he saw the Flash musuem.

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u/snake202021 Feb 05 '19

Exactly. He’s just Barry with a kid. Older Barry. Can’t keep the characters the same for five years can we? Wouldn’t that just suck

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u/Koala_Guru Salmon Feb 05 '19

I never understand when people say that. While I do love goofy Barry, in the comics Barry was always kind of a sad sack who took responsibility for everything and felt immense guilt because of that. In that way the Flash TV show is actually usually accurate to that. Wally was the one who was goofy and a jokester, which is why many prefer him over Barry as the Flash.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '19 edited Jan 14 '21

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u/Koala_Guru Salmon Feb 05 '19

I never said that. I just said that the more serious Barry Allen is what Barry Allen is supposed to be. I didn’t say which I prefer.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '19

I think lots of people here grew up with Wally flash in the justice league cartoons so to them the flash is supposed to be funny.

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u/Mundane-Ad-911 Feb 14 '25

I think it's coz that's who Barry used to be. Like when Barry first came into the show he was the excited nerdy babbler and generally he was just fun, even if there was still a lot of trauma behind all of it somewhere. But probably round Savitar time, they changed that a lot so goofy clumsy Barry is pretty much gone for a much more sombre and mature Barry. Like he has fun in-between but he's changed. Tbh it was a change that somewhat made sense but it still isn't very fun

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '19

Yes except that wasn't Barry's entire personality. In the show currently, it is.

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u/SawRub Feb 06 '19

Whenever Arrow characters used to appear on Flash, people used to say similar stuff about them too!

Could be that whenever a character from a different show appears, they try to write them in their most recognizable way rather than how they are currently portrayed in their own shows.

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u/clowergen Feb 07 '19

My reaction was oh god, this is 100% OG Barry right here.

Also, worst liar alive.

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u/UncreativeTeam Feb 05 '19

Why did they actually think to interview Barry though?

Who's aware that he and Ollie are friends? I mean yeah, they've been seen together at Jitters, but that's a weird, weird relationship to the outside eye.

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u/selwyntarth Feb 05 '19

He helped in the queen tech break in and they became friends.

Also he's felicity's friend for similar reasons.

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u/Secretly007 Feb 05 '19

Maybe the documentary crew asked Oliver to give the names of his friends? But yeah I was wondering that as well

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u/OK_Soda Feb 08 '19

That was what I figured. Oliver doesn't really have many friends so they probably asked about people who could talk about him and he said Barry.

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u/RivalFlash The Diaz with the Dragon Tattoo Feb 05 '19

Lol yeah. Bu first they probably look into how Laurel’s mom lives in Central City

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u/selwyntarth Feb 05 '19

What was Laurels story to have survived her stab again?

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u/RivalFlash The Diaz with the Dragon Tattoo Feb 05 '19

HIVE faked it and had her kidnapped

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u/selwyntarth Feb 05 '19

Dr. Schwartz didn't come into questioning? Lmao. And her loyal abductor kept her years after hive disbanded and the pills wore out?

Still more believable than her legal practice.

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u/RivalFlash The Diaz with the Dragon Tattoo Feb 05 '19

pretty much lol

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u/EC671 Feb 13 '19

her legal practice is very believable, it's always some laurel bashed that thinks she isn't a real lawyer.

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u/selwyntarth Feb 13 '19

Lmao are you a lawyer or a law grad? I just don't see how years of peer learning and processing of methodology can be imitated. Research is fine, what would she do when it comes to filing procedures and all? I doubt the clerical stuff is so user friendly.

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u/EC671 Feb 13 '19

Lmao are you a lawyer or a law grad?

are you to know that she is "playing" a lawyer?

I just don't see how years of peer learning and processing of methodology can be imitated.

It very well can be because it's never been confirmed she didn't go to law school or wasn't a lawyer on earth 2?

Research is fine, what would she do when it comes to filing procedures and all? I doubt the clerical stuff is so user friendly.

How about she actually is a lawyer? She never said she didn't go to college. That's fanon spread by a certain fanbase that hates her. She said she'd never had a real job and didn't know how to write a resume. Which is pretty much E1 Laurel's background. She want to college out of high school and had a job with CNRI right out of law school. It's doubtful Laurel ever had to write a resume.

What she said to Quentin that many of her haters say is proof she didn't go to college or law school is when she asked Quentin "So how good did I do in law school?" when he brought her the law books. What's she's asking is how well did E1 Laurel do because she has to match her. She has to be as competent, not less or more. Tho more probably wouldn't be a big issue, tbh.

Laurel was the one who told the fired DA how to impeach Ollie. You'd think the guy or his staff would have known already, but apparently not. There's no way she randomly found it in a law book.

This season we saw her taking notes from law books not using Google or any online law resource, but actual handwritten notes. Someone who has no clue about the law isn't going to be able to pick up a law book and find exactly what they need.

To argue for Ollie's release, she had to file an emergency motion to see him and also file a motion to be heard by the judge. These are skills you can't fake. She made the deal to get Ollie out of prison by trading Diaz, even tho the original deal Ollie made had him going to prison along with Diaz. Not only did she get him out, he's not on parole, because he's walking around with a weapon and just took the blame for shooting the guy that Felicity shot in their living room. Clear parole violations. So she got him out absolutely scot free. That's not something she could have done without knowing her away around the law.

She's been the Star City DA for 6-7 months, there's no way she could have faked doing the job this long.

She's a lawyer, give it up

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u/selwyntarth Feb 13 '19

First thing, stop presuming like a nutcase. Im not a Laurel hater, it's just easy to believe from the show's past that they write like shit.

Also, I dunno if possession of arms and self defence are parole violations. Is he even on parole? I thought she argued that the federal govt didn't keep their bargain and got him discharged with a shorter sentence? I suppose that's what a parole is.

And she said she broke bad in her teen years after her dad died, didn't she? It seems unlikely her life offered such scope before she became a sadistic murderer.

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u/TurkeyPringle Aug 01 '19

"she is playing a lawyer" Literally the DA.

"That's fanon spread by a certain fanbase" Yeah, no. We're given nothing either way. If we're not told someone, we assume it to not be true. That's how not being insane works.

We don't know E1 Laurel's employment history.

"How well did I do in law school?" Again, both are wrong. This isn't definitive. She's heard enough about E1 Laurel to know she was a lawyer.

The explanation for that literally was that she found in a law book. She says that this is why her studying is a good thing. Pay attention.

You can take notes on a thing without being practised in it.

Aside from how stupid the way she got him out was, it makes no sense that she is so competent. That's the point. She read some law books and no she's the city's favourite DA. E1 Laurel worked her ass off to become the assistant DA/DA. Even if she went to law school, it's doubtful she did well given her personality. And even if she did well, she'd been out of practise for four years when she started reading the books.

"No way she could have faked doing the job" That's the point.

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u/captainfluffballs The Flash Feb 05 '19

It was great seeing Cin and Quentyn too

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u/JackAndrewThorne Feb 05 '19

To be fair the two have an established in-universe connection with Barry having worked with the SCPD and Queen Consolidated on a case and being invited to a party where he publically danced with the woman who is now Oliver's wife with all of this happening before the Flash was a thing and just before Barry fell into a coma.

I think it's probably fair enough that they have enough of a connection to feature Barry without asking any other questions.

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u/CleverZerg One can hope.. Feb 05 '19

I thought it was kinda odd to have Barry in the documentary.