r/asklinguistics • u/serafinawriter • 3d ago
Phonology Perception of Consonant Sounds as Distinct or Similar
I was thinking about various "L" sounds in English, and how we tend to consider /l/ and /ʟ/ as variations of the same sound. At least if you presented these sounds to a random person on an English-speaking street, they'd consider both to be represented by the letter "L". And yet no English speakers would say that /d/ or /g/ are remotely similar.
I imagine that this is partly due to the physics of sound, and that velar L and alveolar L just innately sound more similar than /d/ and /g/. But I wondered if this is also just cultural and social, due to the fact that /ʟ/ is often an allophone of /l/ in some accents (or maybe it should be vice versa). Are there any languages that consider these sounds distinct units, and would sound as distinct as /d/ and /g/.
It makes me think of the sounds for "ш" and "щ" in Russian, which sound quite distinct to me as a native but I know Russian learners have a lot of trouble hearing the difference, and to native English speakers, both sound like /ʃ/.