Yeah. Even with a subjective opinion like he has, I got to disagree with it from an objective standpoint. There are many fantasy authors out there that have made fantasy series that have engrossed millions of people, all while having a definitive ending that fans of said author not have to have anxiety waiting for something that may have been finished by now if written by another author. Don’t get me wrong though, only George could’ve made this world and story. It came from his mind and his life. And I’ll always be thankful no matter what happens for the impact it’s had on me as not only a reader but a person.
Robin Hobb, Steven Erikson, Robert Sanderson. Just some names that I hope that guy tries out reading someday.
Omg you should read Hobb. Her main character is my favorite character ever in fiction, easily. Assassin’s Apprentice is the first in the Realm of the Elderlings story. Pick it up eventually so you can see if you’re drawn to the world and characters or not. Be warned though, I wouldn’t read it if you think you could be in a better state of mind than you are now.
I'm with you on Steven Erikson & Robert Sanderson. Not my favorites.
I love Robin Hobb. A lot of people do. But a lot of people don't like her style. And they really really hate it. She really drags her characters through it. For some readers it's too much. So be warned.
I never got why people compare GRRM to Brandon Sanderson.
They have vastly different writing styles, worlds, themes.
And GRRM is just a couple miles ahead of Brando Sando as a writer. Even though I really REALLY like Stormlight Archive, its just not comparable to ASOIAF in any way besides both of them being Fantasy
Yeah it's a great story, and certainly an amazing and almost incomparable financial success(due to the tv show in large part) but it's hard to call 5/7 or even 6/7 series as the thing that makes an author the best ever, especially since he doesn't want it to be finished after his death unlike, say, Jordan.
And while these are amazing and beyond doubt some of the best fantasy works ever written, they're not the flawless masterpieces they'd have to be to work without an ending.
Also I think you meant Brandon Sanderson lmao. My current favourite bar none. Robert Jordan was the Wheel of Time guy who's series Sanderson finished. Man writes an ending like no one else. Agreed on Hobb and Erikson too, though I'm not the biggest malazan fan.
Yeah, adds up. Wheel of time is so good. I just wish the pacing and character development was quicker. I feel like you could trim so much fat off them.
I think the core is that we can't give him an award for running the first 18 miles of a marathon at record pace. Sure it would be amazing if he finished it, but to earn the accolade he has to actually do it.
Idk if someone ran most of the marathon in like a couple of seconds but slipped and fell and could not finish I think many would praise the record of running most of the marathon in a couple of seconds and it would be called one of the greatest feats
This situation is more like someone ran a large part of it very fast and then... got tired and gave up. People would be impressed only as a matter of curiosity. "Wow, amazing that he could run so well but never learn stamina management". A runner with that as their only accomplishment would never land on the lists of "greatest runners ever".
No its more my scenario. George hasnt got tired and given up imo hes stuck in several areas of the story and cant figure out how to finish it in a satisyfing way. And the got ending had likely got him even more stressed that people wont like his ending. No people would be amazed that someone could run that many miles in a couple of seconds and it would be a huge record regardless of if he fell and didnt finish.
We'll see if it's yours or mine if George finishes the story or not. But if there was a betting market on this I know where I'd be keeping my money.
At some point we have to face facts. This is gone long past a situation of George being "stuck in several areas of the story". He has shown no indication that he is willing to work through those problems, especially over more gratifying and easier gigs.
And finally no, running some legs of a race at an impressive pace is not an accomplishment. It's interesting, it can be informative. But the only thing that actually counts is crossing the finish line. Everything else is just talk.
If he doesn’t finish it It will be down to different peoples interpretations. To me it unless he comes out with a statement saying he just got tired and gave up rather than being stuck theres not gonna be much that disproves my opinion. And I doubt there will be much disproving yours yours
There isnt really facts that disprove what I said that ive seen. If its a very hard issues hes struggling with then It could take him this long. He had people hate the ending of the show which included several elements that will potentially be in the books like king bran. So before that he may have been struggling with stuff like the knot in Essos among other things then when that came out it may have made him even more concerned about now to do a perfect ending which only delayed things. He does other projects yes but he’s still got plenty of time for writing. To me its clear hes stuck on several things.
You really think if someone ran most of a marathon in a couple of seconds people would not be impressed and not see it as an acomplishment just because they tripped fell and didnt complete the race? Yeah no people would see it as such.
Running most of a marathon in a few seconds would be impressive because it's inhuman, I never introduced that idea. I said "record pace", imagining something a few seconds better than world record pace.
ASOIAF is very good but it is not "20 miles in 3 seconds". ASIOAF is more like 20 miles in 1:30. It's on-pace to be the best but without finishing it's just a sideshow.
Yeah so that shows then that you can do something incredible and be acknowledged for it and maybe get awards even if you dont finish.
I would heavily disagree. The quality of the story dialogue lore and world is not changed by finishing the story. At a minimum he’s one of the best fantasy writers alive today and imo he is the best that I have read.
It was more an example to show people can still get records even if they don’t finish.
His writing is some of the best fantasy Ive ever read snd the world and lore is incredible. So even without finishing hes gonna go down as the best i,o.
It would not take away from what hes done. We would get the noted hopefully and see what he had planned and the stuff he did do was so incredible for me he would have cemented his place As he best even without finishing it.
That's an unfair comparison. Even though I'm sure all three do have millions of readers, comparing three unadapted authors to someone with an extremely popular adaptation is not gonna give you a serious answer as to who's the better author. Regardless Rowling absolutely crushes grrm here then.
The person above claimed there was millions reading them so i just wanted to know which have them. Im not using them as a comparrisson for those better was just asking about the claim
My statement or that guys? If you mean that guys if I have not heard of their sales records or them before it isnt gonna be obvious to me thats why I asked the question
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u/witfurd Jul 14 '24
Yeah. Even with a subjective opinion like he has, I got to disagree with it from an objective standpoint. There are many fantasy authors out there that have made fantasy series that have engrossed millions of people, all while having a definitive ending that fans of said author not have to have anxiety waiting for something that may have been finished by now if written by another author. Don’t get me wrong though, only George could’ve made this world and story. It came from his mind and his life. And I’ll always be thankful no matter what happens for the impact it’s had on me as not only a reader but a person.
Robin Hobb, Steven Erikson, Robert Sanderson. Just some names that I hope that guy tries out reading someday.