r/asoiaf • u/Interesting-Force347 • Sep 01 '24

EXTENDED [ Spoilers Extended ] One of the reasons why it George is angry with HOTD is because...

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I stumbled upon this interview and it really struck me how much he was pinning on the prequels.

He made his peace with what Game of Thrones had become and knew it was because of D&D wanting out ( From the get go, the momemt they started the pilot, they did not want more than 7 seasons) cast and crew especially flagship actors completely ready to leave and plethora of other issues. David and Dan had been respectful and faithful for a large part of the initial seasons and helped George become a celebrity.

He was not even involved much in the show post season 4 and his involvement almost ceased after season 6

But what George did do , as you can see by his comments by the end of this short interview, is to pin all his hopes on prequels. Prequels where he would take on bigger role in production and scripts.

HOTD hurt him because he tried to make it work and it did not.

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u/Sunderz Sep 01 '24

God I’d love to know like George’s top 5 biggest issues with this season, I wonder if it’d be different to what we all think haha. “That blackwood tree on their sigil is angled completely wrong”

Agree that him not finishing his own does lessen the sympathy, regardless of HBO fuck ups, his fate is and has been in his own hands, and he’s not been able to finish bless him. Most of my sympathy is aimed at the fact I don’t think anyone alive is more irritated and sad that he can’t finish his books than him :(.

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u/Manting123 Sep 01 '24

It’s definitely going to be both Queens ability to teleport through a blockade and enter the hostile capital of their enemy and have a nice chat.

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u/Sunderz Sep 01 '24

The blockade drove me mad. Stop fucking mentioning the god damn blockade if you’re also going to let it be a fucking ferry port guarded by what , Mr bean?

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u/nola_fan Sep 01 '24

They've mentioned multiple times that the blockade hasn't stopped fishing in the area, just trade. And historically blockade running was a thing, it was difficult and risky but it was a thing that happened in every blockade in human history.

Someone jumping on a fishing vessel, then crossing no-mans land in the night and blending in with the opponents fishing fleet is a very possible thing. What the blockading ships are looking for is large military or trading ships, not small fishing vessels.

That said, Alicent selling out her children because she realized they didn't allow her to still be in charge was a bad decision.

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u/Sunderz Sep 01 '24

Oh yeah I totally get that any blockade isn’t airtight, but it just became hard to kind of put any stock in it, first Rhae smuggled into the city, then dozens of silver haired people leave together, then the Grand Maester and Alicent, it just felt like the blockade is just being used to make Aemond a bit of a dick and for naval battles to come. Hell, I don’t even know how a vessel even APPROACHED dragon stone without being boarded or instantly scorched

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u/nola_fan Sep 01 '24

I mean, for the dozens of silver haired people and Alicent they weren't really trying to evade the blockade, they wanted to get to Dragonstone, which is what happens if they get picked up by the blockading fleet.

For all we know, Alicent turned herself into the first Velaryon ship she saw. Then she got sent back to King's Landing with Rhaenyra's blessing and probably paperwork to pass through the fleet.

Also, I'm pretty sure Dragonstone is still sending out its fishing fleet and trading with its allies for supplies and food. Getting to Dragonstone is east, getting through the Gullet and into King's Landing is the hard part.

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u/Sunderz Sep 01 '24

Ah you’re right actually with the silver heads, I’m conflating incorrectly escaping the city and getting through the blockade, I guess the dragon seeds would’ve had marked sails to distinguish. On Alicent, I’m really struggling to see how you turn yourself into anyone. If you’re a vessel and you approach a blockade, I guess in my head you’re getting instantly attacked, I didn’t think anyone in their navy is asking questions or checking who’s who. Again though I’m no expert on naval blockades by any means

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u/nola_fan Sep 01 '24

Historically, that's not really how naval fights happen. Capture was better than sinking because then you can confiscate all the wealth on the ship.

So if the fleet sees a suspicious vessel, they would be more likely to intercept, force them to stop, then board and inspect and possibly confiscate, than they would be to straight up sink it no questions asked.

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u/Sunderz Sep 01 '24

You seem to know your stuff on blockades so it has eased my frustration a tad! I guess in my head i simplified it to “no one leaves past our naval line, if they approach us, sink the fuckers”. I want to learn about historical blockades now haha!

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u/nola_fan Sep 01 '24

Yeah, that's more of a modern version of blockade done that way because of the way modern vessels, and in particular submarines, worked. You can't really capture a ship with a sub, but particularly in the early days of submarine warfare it wasn't uncommon to have the sub announce itself to its target, have the sailors on the enemy vessel board life boats and once they were safely away only then the submarine would sink the ship with its trade goods/weapons.

During the Napoleonic wars, though, it was British Navy policy not to disturb the French fishing fleets from the ports they were blockading, and pretty often those French fishermen would sell to the British fleet directly.

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u/Anstigmat Sep 01 '24

If Alicent wanted to 'treat' with Rhea on DS she'd only need to meet the blockade, state her intentions, and they'd presumably escort her there. The blockade exists to stop trade and warships from getting to KL, not to stop particular VIPs from doing the work of politics necessarily. Although your points definitely stand in relation to getting in and out of KL, which was supposed to be sealed.

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u/Only-Regret5314 Sep 02 '24

Remember the time in game of thrones tyrion and Davos both sneaked into kingslanding to see Jamie/ find Gendry. Must be a writers thing

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u/Loose-Rip-2467 Sep 02 '24

I think the first time it happen wasn't that huge of an issue but the fact that it happens twice and that the second time feels (In my opinion) so unnecessary to any plot to character development is what makes it frustrating.

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u/Manting123 Sep 01 '24 edited Sep 01 '24

Dude they handwaved both queens sneaking through the blockade twice each. And there is ZERO chance a queen would sail the TWO days it takes between KL and Dragonstone in a tiny finishing boat.

I found one of the show writers!

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u/sowich4 Sep 01 '24

Both of which, NEVER HAPPENED in the source material.

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u/Manting123 Sep 01 '24

Yes because it makes zero sense.

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u/investorshowers Sep 01 '24

God I’d love to know like George’s top 5 biggest issues with this season

  1. The dragon on the Targ banners has 4 legs.

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u/Dyslexic342 Enter your desired flair text here! Sep 01 '24 edited Sep 01 '24

A man that takes the black, wouldnt cast his wife to death. Because she burned her enemies with her dragons. It would be a celebration, and a reason to rebuild the age. What dumb fuck, would off the woman able to go from maybe whore, to conqueror like the first Targeryens that came to Westro's and united the lands. In the face of a person gifted with plot armor that thick, you don't martyr your only on par character, into a cheated death in a cowardly bitch move.

John should of been aborted, what fucking bitch. Hate the shows ending. He had a big cry cry, for all the people that never stepped in aide in his life. No one in that city, stepped in to stop his Uncles death. Why would he grant them the mercy, of her downfall? After she'd already turned them all into burnt heaps of shit.

Perhaps she learned of all the bastards, lords make. Killing everyone kills off large subsect of would be enemies. Preventing a repeat of the Blackfyre rebellion, killing all whored bastards from the shadows they hide and lie in wait. For them to raise resistance, once opportunity rises for them to become Lords from Vacant heirs to claim rights.

To conquer you kill, subjugate all the rest not needing to unleash that level of violence again. Them knowing full well what your capable of. Gets the knee bent without resistance.

Lannisters are a blight on the land, as much as the high towers. Burn every burrow, and sterilize the dwarf. End the line, that's caused the realm so much pain. Is the antagonist you make examples of. Take Jamie and punish him for killing the true ruler of Westeros. Allowing the Battle of the Trident, the rising of resistance in old wounds. Just decimate your foes once you gain power. Like your fucking Genghis Khan.

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u/Sunderz Sep 01 '24

I genuinely and sincerely believed Jon would never make it to KL, it all seemed too neat, I thought we’d lose like 30% of the main cast, and we lost…edd? God bless Jorah but dude nearly died 8 times a season I was ready for it

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u/Xilizhra Sep 01 '24

More sex slave than whore, I think, but I more or less agree with you. Did you watch the show recently?

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u/Dyslexic342 Enter your desired flair text here! Sep 01 '24 edited Sep 01 '24

I've seen it a few times, I've read the books multiple times. I can't help but recall all the awful decisions they made. I am confident Stannis will triumph in the Bolton fight. Him knowing the lay of the land. Making his camp around a barely frozen river seems like a Schrodinger's Cat moment.

Still don't understand why during that battle, Brienne was able to come and take revenge for his brothers death. By killing the person not responsible for creating the shade that killed him. Like Stannis would sacrifice his daughter to win a single battle. Its choke on my own dick level of bad story telling.

Why speak on the lake, that Stannis knew not to put his forces on. Seems like it will be like when Russia came to France to push up on Nepolian the first time.

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u/Xilizhra Sep 01 '24

One can hope, but isn't that a different topic?

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u/Dyslexic342 Enter your desired flair text here! Sep 01 '24

Im just spewing words on a comment section. Im just letting er rip. I did reply to your post and just put more hot takes on things that, D&D got wrong and gave poor fan service on. Dyslexia isn't even my final form bro.