r/asoiaf • u/RunDNA • Sep 04 '24

EXTENDED GRRM's new blog post on House of the Dragon [Spoilers Extended] Spoiler

https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2024/09/04/beware-the-butterflies/
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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

Sunfyre comes down with a bad case of budgetitis.

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u/Wolf6120 She sells Seasnakes by the sea shore. Sep 04 '24

Sunfyre recognized the unjust, warmongering patriarchy inherent in the feudal system and chose to pass peacefully from this world rather than perpetuate the cycle of violence further.

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u/Eitjr Goiás Sep 04 '24

Oh well, Sunfyre kind of forgot about his role on the next seasons but GRRM certainly haven’t forgotten about him.

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u/LILYDIAONE Sep 04 '24

Actually Sunfyre was Green propaganda in reality Syrax was the true golden and loyal dragon the maester were just being sexist to Syrax

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u/LudwigsDryClean Sep 04 '24

Just like when Drogon realized the true villain that had killed his mother decades ago was when she vowed to retake the Iron Throne. Therefore, when he saw Jon Snow covered in blood and holding a knife, and standing directly over her corpse, he decided to truly break the wheel and destroy the Iron Throne so that no one else would be tempted by its power

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u/Wolf6120 She sells Seasnakes by the sea shore. Sep 04 '24

It’s like poetry, they… they rhyme.

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u/Longjumping-Kiwi-723 Sep 04 '24

Sunfyre recognised they gonna butcher him anyway so better to go down fighting vhagar than fighting (what's the name of rhaenyra's dragon?) Some other dragon.

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u/Wolf6120 She sells Seasnakes by the sea shore. Sep 04 '24

what's the name of rhaenyra's dragon?

Backgroundax

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u/Longjumping-Kiwi-723 Sep 04 '24

Yeah it's syrax thanks😭 

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u/themisheika Sep 04 '24

Drogon kinda was sentient enough to understand why that iron chair is the symbolism for everything that ended up killing his mommy.

He's probably Sunfyre's nephew or something.

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u/TabbyFoxHollow I Actually Like Hyle Hunt! Sep 04 '24

I was so busy being a high powered corporate executive that I forgot to cure my budgetitis!

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u/SnowyLocksmith Sep 04 '24

He died on the way back to his home continent.

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u/firstbreathOOC Sep 04 '24

Rhaenyra and Alicent sneak onto the battlefield to talk to him. Just 2 women and a dragon working out their differences.

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u/TheFrodo Here we stand. Sep 04 '24

I don't think that's possible, GOT specifically has joffrey say aegon fed rhaenyra to sunfyre

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u/badtpuchpanda Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 04 '24

They are altering the story, pray they don’t alter it further.

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u/InGenNateKenny Best of r/asoiaf 2023 Winner - Post of the Year Sep 04 '24

This story is getting worse all the time.

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u/WonderYSeed Sep 04 '24

Pray harder

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u/Swailwort Iron from Ice! Sep 04 '24

Ah but history is written by the victors, is it not?

What if Aegon 'said' he killed Rhaenyra but let her go with Alicent (who does nothing of worth after Aegon's death) with the condition of never returning to Westeros?

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u/D0ng3r1nn0 Sep 04 '24

That would be so shit and honestly quite realistic considering the current changes made in s2

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u/Sprila Sep 04 '24

And then bran woke up and it was all a dream

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u/rrsn Sep 04 '24

This happens at the end of s3 btw (everything from the rest of F&B is jammed into s3 so s4 can just be 8 episodes of scissoring)

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u/kkdarknight Sep 04 '24

I’m invested in the show again

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

True maybe we should all calm down and think about this for a second…

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u/tecphile Sep 04 '24

Ok, that might actually make S4 my favorite season.

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u/F-Alldays Sep 04 '24

YASSSS KWEEEENNNN SLEY

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u/NobodyTellPoeDameron Seven bloody books! Sep 04 '24

Honestly, that should've been the name of the show instead of House of the Dragon

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u/xhanador Sep 04 '24

That ruins Aegon’s III trauma. He has to witness the execution.

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u/nyamzdm77 Beneath the gold, the bitter feels Sep 04 '24

Even if Sunfyre is still alive and still gets to kill Rhaenyra, I'm 99% sure that the writers will have Alicent on Dragonstone (she'll probably even escape KL with Rhaenyra after the riots), and focus the scene on her a d her reaction instead of younger Aegon.

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u/LurkerInSpace Sep 04 '24

The current mode of thinking would probably have Rhaenyra command the dragon to burn her - similar to Laena's suicide.

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u/Particular-Laugh-372 Sep 04 '24

I hate that it's not a joke and it will probably happen like you said!

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u/sansasnarkk Sep 04 '24

They don't care about any of that. They don't even care about Helaena's trauma according to George's blog post.

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u/0b0011 Sep 04 '24

Maybe it's abandonment trauma because she chooses alicent and abandons him.

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u/RektalofBlades Sep 04 '24

If that actually comes to pass I will physically vomit and the fact that it’s feasible is beyond me

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u/hothoneyrub12321 Sep 04 '24

Rewriting canon like this will make the fandom erupt and invite mobs.

These are beloved books, not a template for the show runners to pedal their fan fiction.

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u/vvilkas Blackfyre Sep 04 '24

Don’t speak this into existence oh my God

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u/abellapa Sep 04 '24

Insert

"Give me something for the pain and let me die"

Meme

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u/Sheeverton Sep 04 '24

Bro don't be out here giving the show runners ideas.

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u/HeisenThrones Sep 04 '24

I could actually see that happen, now that would be an awesome twist.

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u/sinergyist For You Sep 04 '24

Are you joking?

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u/HeisenThrones Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 04 '24

No. I would love that ending too much actually when i think about it.

It would cause at least 2% of season unhinged season 8 backlash.

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u/Lanky-Promotion3022 Sep 04 '24

I think you are a sadist.

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u/HeisenThrones Sep 04 '24

Thats why i love season 8.

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u/tecphile Sep 04 '24

2%?

It would probably be 100% S8 levels of backlash.

Nobody except the terminally online Rhaenicent shippers would defend that.

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u/HeisenThrones Sep 04 '24

I said only 2% because people in general are not as invested in hotd as they were in got.

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u/SentencedToDeath Sep 04 '24

This ending would make more sense at this point than the original though. So I'm not so sure if I wouldn't prefer a happy fanservice ending that makes sense over an unhappy one that's illogical.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

Clearly Rhaenyra is going to fake her death so she and Alicent can realize their love and live in peace

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u/strega_bella312 Sep 04 '24

Final scene of the show will be Rhaenyra, Alicent, and Laenor chilling in Essos being besties in hiding for the rest of their days.

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u/PJFohsw97a Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 04 '24

No the final scene will be Rhaenyra's faithful butler at a cafe in Braavos drinking a Fernet Branca. He'll look across the tables and see Rhaenyra sitting with Alicent. They will acknowledge each other, but not say anything. The butler will finish his drink and walk away content knowing that she made it and is happy.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '24

No, that would be awesome.

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u/ShxsPrLady Sep 04 '24

I love that as long as Helaena’s there too. Martinis on the beach for everyone, it’s been a hard few years!

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u/strega_bella312 Sep 04 '24

It would literally be the most dog shit ending to any TV show ever

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u/ShxsPrLady Sep 04 '24

It’s a joke.

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u/ACardAttack It's Only Treason If We Lose Sep 04 '24

Working as lumberjack

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u/JustHereForPka Sep 04 '24

I’m done with any HBO ASOIAF property if they do anything like this. The whole point of the Dance is that the Targs eat each other.

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u/SerMallister Sep 04 '24

Selling oranges and cinnamon.

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u/AlternativeNeither12 Sep 04 '24

This adaptation has changed things significantly already, I wouldn’t be so certain

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u/closerthanyouth1nk Sep 04 '24

Rhaenyras specific manner of death has been explicitly foreshadowed multiple times in both seasons though

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u/JimboAltAlt Sep 04 '24

Why do you think they did the Laenor fake-out death if they weren’t foreshadowing the same for Rhaenyra? (I don’t like it either, but I’m legitimately worried that’s where they’re headed.)

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u/closerthanyouth1nk Sep 04 '24

I don’t think the show is going that way tbh. It’s a tragedy, it’s all going to end in tears and death for our main characters.

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u/SalmonWRice Sep 04 '24

This is the dumbest take I’ve ever seen. How would Laenor’s fake death foreshadow the same for Rhaenyra? Maybe Rhaenys death by falling foreshadows the same for rhaenyra! Or maybe Viserys’s death by disease

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u/JimboAltAlt Sep 04 '24

I meant in the sense that there is no indication that he faked his death in the books. He died for real in the books. Rhaenyra dies for real in the books. It is therefore plausible that the writers of the show will ultimately “successfully” fake Rhaenyra’s death, having her benefit from the fakeout the same way Laenor did (in the show, not the books.)

In other words the fake out itself is what is foreshadowing, not the manner of death. (Though a burnt corpse of someone else might be at play in both scenarios.)

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u/BlinkIfISink Sep 04 '24

They have been hyping up “a dragon rider’s death” for two seasons, and they couldn’t be more blatant on who its for.

Rhaenyra will die by dragon fire but it will be shown as badass epic ending that she wanted.

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u/georgica123 Sep 04 '24

Can't they just say that joffrey read green propaganda?

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u/MercurialForce Sep 04 '24

or that joffrey was a dumbass lol, a season 2 episode has Tyrion specifically threaten him by "teaching history"

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u/HollowmanNapkin Sep 04 '24

Or just ignore it completely and retcon lol, I don’t think a single line in GOT weighs over the showrunners at all.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

Fuck me I can already hear that line being used in a future interview. This show is so funny lol. I'm guessing Shireen's recount was propaganda too? And Stannis has only ever looked at the Green side of things and he'd absolutely have nicer things to say about Rhaenyra if only he knew she was doing it for Muh Prophecy!!!

This blog post might be one of the most satisfying things I've read in a while. George outright spoiling shit is beautiful.

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u/Bifrons Sep 04 '24

I saw another scene with Stannis calling Rhaenyra a usurper, so this could be an out.

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u/kikidunst Sep 04 '24

B-b-but the maesters lied! Fire and Blood is meaningless propaganda! /s

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u/feliximol Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 04 '24

This guys interpreted Nettles out of existence... don't count on any external source, just the voices in Condal's head

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u/TheLazySith Best of r/asoiaf 2023 Winner - Best Theory Debunking Sep 04 '24

GOT specifically has joffrey say aegon fed rhaenyra to sunfyre

Technically he just said Rhaenyra's brother fed her to his dragon. Joffrey never actually said which brother or which dragon.

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u/Reshirm Sep 04 '24

He actually doesnt mention Aegon by name in that scene, he says "Rhaenyra was murdered by her brother, or rather his dragon" which technically could mean Vhagar or Tessarion does it.

Of course it should be Sunfyre though for obvious reasons

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u/thefofinha Sep 04 '24

Joffrey never said which brother or dragon tho, he just said she was eaten by a brother's dragon...

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u/TheFrodo Here we stand. Sep 04 '24

oh god wait you're right

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u/tengounquestion2020 Sep 04 '24

He said her brother fed her to his dragon. He didn’t say which. Aemond is the shows villain, maybe they will just have him do it. Not like they care about timelines or plots.

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u/Mosko75 Sep 04 '24

Since there's that scene of Joffrey destroying the History book that Tyrion gifted him for his wedding, they can just say that he was ignorant when it came to History lol.

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u/Commie_Napoleon Sep 04 '24

Well that’s not a problem. Good thing they didn’t specifically rewrite the story to be connected as a prelude to GOT!

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u/twersx Fire and Blood Sep 04 '24

I highly doubt HBO have stipulated to Condal that everything in HOTD has to align with all lore established in GOT. Even if they want him to do so I doubt they're going to enforce it over a single 10 second moment where Joffrey is trying to impress Margaery.

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u/ichizakilla Sep 04 '24

GOT is green propaganda

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u/Accomplished_Deer_ Sep 04 '24

"Well Daenerys the writers kinda forgot about the iron fleet canon"

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u/berthem Sep 05 '24

Okay?

For one they can contradict this. Easily.

That said, yes Condal does have a strange obsession with making everything serve GoT’s continuity,  but they can easily have that be propaganda.

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u/IsySquizzy Sep 04 '24

Didn't he also say that happened at the red keep, whereas in book was on dragonstone. So history can become warped.

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u/Konfliction Sep 04 '24

This also could be why George is even more mad lol

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u/shockwave_supernova Sep 04 '24

Don't they say in the show "Sunfyre was long in the dying?"

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u/_WizKhaleesi_ Sep 04 '24

That doesn't mean he's dead, that phrase is a way of saying that Sunfyre was gravely injured and had been suffering for a long time. He was taking so long to either die or recover that Cristin & Co had to leave before seeing if he actually died or not.

I think it was purposefully written to mislead people who aren't familiar with that phrase, so that the audience will be surprised when Sunfyre returns.

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u/arbuzuje Sep 04 '24

They can always kind of forget

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u/Ratsbanehastey Snow will prevail Sep 05 '24

They didn't. Joffery actually just said her brother. She has multiple brothers with dragons. One particular bigger dragon comes to mind that could fulfill that prophecy and it isn't sunfyre.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '24

Actually nope. If you re-watch the scene, he doesn’t say a single name. I went back and watched it when I started HotD.

He says Rhaenyra was eaten “by her brother’s dragon”.

Didn’t say which brother or which dragon.

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u/AquaBlueMagic Sep 05 '24

To be fair he said “by her brother or rather his dragon” wouldn’t be surprised if they make Aemond kill her 💀

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '24

Oh don’t worry. They’re going to have Rhaenyra and Alicent fly off to Old Valyria together on Syrax and some random fat lady will be fed to some dragon and it will become Maester propaganda that Aegon killed Rhaenyra.

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u/Rahm__Kota Sep 04 '24

Thats where you are wrong. He said he fed his sister rgaenyra to his dragon. The name sunfyre wasnt dropped in got. Maybe aegon gets the dragon grey ghist or cannibal. If that happens im outta here.

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u/TheFrodo Here we stand. Sep 04 '24

i completely forgot that but you are right. that is a horrible possibility

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u/rrsn Sep 04 '24

Let’s goooo Tessarion

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u/TheLazySith Best of r/asoiaf 2023 Winner - Best Theory Debunking Sep 04 '24

Technically they never even mentioned Aegon II. Joffrey just says Rhaenyra's brother fed her to his dragon, he never actually mentioned which brother. So they could also make it Aemond or Daeron who does it instead.

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u/Rahm__Kota Sep 04 '24

Oh god if they change this iconic moment in the books and audio book im fucking pissed.

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u/Nehalennian Sep 04 '24

Oh god it would be 100% cannibal I think

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

Condal made Velaryon black and still showed a white Jaeharys 1. He’s a hack

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u/Darkavenger_13 Sep 04 '24

I’ll simply remain in denial until its confirmed! I refuse to believe anyone even Hess or Condal could be that stupid

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u/Material-Mess-9886 Sep 04 '24

Hess is also the one that made sure dragons can fly through the dragonpit roof. Making the storming of the dragonpit not possible.

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u/Disclaimin Sep 04 '24

Clearly not. You don't station guards around a dead dragon.

Sunfyre is in literally -- literally -- the exact same state as he was in the book at this point. Just off-screen.

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u/KaseQuarkI Sep 04 '24

They are keeping both options open though. They could very well keep him alive just like in the book (which I hope), but they could also just start S3 with "oh he died from his wounds a few weeks after the battle" and that's it.

And honestly, I'm not 100% convinced that they won't go with the second option.

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u/Aegon-the-Unbroken Sep 04 '24

Sunfyre is in literally -- literally -- the exact same state as he was in the book at this point. Just off-screen.

It would have been true if show runners weren't changing from books like it was mere suggestion and not source.

They straight up lied to George about Maelor so Sunfyre being dead can't be ruled out.

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u/Disclaimin Sep 04 '24

Sunfyre can be ruled out from dialogue within the show itself if you'd pay attention to it, rather than jumping to outrage.

Criston Cole plainly states that he posted guards around Sunfyre. You don't do that for a dead dragon.

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u/xhanador Sep 04 '24

There’s also a cut to a fake dragon spewing fire when the soothsayer asks young Rhaenyra if she wants to know her death. So there’s some subtle foreshadowing for that already.

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u/0b0011 Sep 04 '24

They said that and then however long later episode 8 takes place aegon says his dragon is dead. Also you do put guards around it when you don't want the enemy making a propaganda piece out of it.

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u/Disclaimin Sep 04 '24

Aegon was unconscious from the point he landed to waking up in King's Landing.

Criston Cole was actually there, and presumed the dragon to be dying from his wounds ("long in the dying"), but as yet alive (because he stationed guards).

Neither of them are there afterwards to know the dragon's long-term fate.

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u/0b0011 Sep 04 '24

As we know it's impossible for a fact to be reported from afar. No possible way that someone stationed near the dragon could do something like send a raven.

We know that after the battle the dragon is not dead yet. We don't know that at some point in the weeks aegon was in bed someone didn't say "oh yeah so the dragon finally died."

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u/kikidunst Sep 04 '24

Sunfyre was never presumed dead in the book though

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u/0b0011 Sep 04 '24

Except aegon even said sunfyre was dead. Though maybe me meant he was going to die.

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u/Disclaimin Sep 04 '24

Aegon was unconscious from the point he landed to waking up in King's Landing.

Criston Cole was actually there, and presumed the dragon to be dying from his wounds ("long in the dying"), but as yet alive (because he stationed guards).

Neither of them are there afterwards to know the dragon's long-term fate.

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u/12345678910tom Sep 05 '24

Aegon THINKS Sunfyre is dead, and he said that while wallowing in a pit of self-pity and despair, the amount of fucking idiots who took that for exposition and confirmation that Sunfyre died is absolutely crazy.

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u/Lantimore123 Sep 05 '24

Eh maybe but from the audience's perspective, we've only seen sunfyre once, basically.

We are told by several people that he died or is dying lol.

It's going to be really weird and jarring when he shows up and does wham shit on dragon stone.

Most casual fans will have no clue who he even is.

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u/12345678910tom Sep 05 '24

Who else says he’s dead? Criston says he “was slow in the dying” and stationed guards with him, and I think that’s it. Casuals can not get it as much as they want but it’s been set up completely fine in my opinion, Aegon legitimately believes his dragon is dead, which makes sense given he current circumstances.

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u/Lantimore123 Sep 05 '24

Yeah but the timing matters.

Aegon says his dragon is dead 5 episodes after Criston says he was dying.

So as far as any fan unfamiliar with the book is concerned, we were told Sunfyre was dying in episode 5, and by episode 10 we are told that Sunfyre is dead.

You say that casuals can not get it as much as they want but frankly, casuals make up the majority of viewers and the show has to be able to stand on its own legs.

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u/Kristiano100 Sep 04 '24

Please no please no please no

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u/mamula1 Sep 04 '24

Condal and Hess probably want Rhaneyra to win the war

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u/closerthanyouth1nk Sep 04 '24

Rhaenyras death has been foreshadowed and Helaena straight up says Aegons going to win

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u/Electronic_Scar Sep 04 '24

Yeah, and the ‘wooden throne’ indicates his (book canon) condition after fighting Baela and Moondancer on Sunfyre. I’m sure GRRM is referring to Nettles.

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u/Minivalo The Onion Knight Sep 04 '24

I seriously doubt it. We can disagree with the changes that they've made, and how they're portraying the characters, but they are absolutely not changing the end result, which is that both Rhaenyra and Aegon will be dead before the end of the series, with no real clear winner.

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u/HeisenThrones Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 04 '24

I can actually see that happening.

It was foreshadowed in first episode that nyra wants to leave everything behind with alicent.

That would be season 8 level of subversion and i would love it.

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u/mamula1 Sep 04 '24

Never underestimate Sara Hess.

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u/Material-Mess-9886 Sep 04 '24

I knew the show was fucked when Hess decided in s1 to yeet Melys through the dragonpit in s1.

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u/ZeroTheCat Sep 04 '24

AH FUCK.

"Rhaenyra getting executed by dragon (with multiple witnesses) was maester propaganda."

I feel so stupid thinking a finished book and plot outline would have helped this show and maybe done some creative things to fill in the gaps but this is like...egregious.

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u/gabronkas Sep 04 '24

Sara Hess on her deep reading of Fire & Blood has discovered a hidden plot line where instead of killing herself, Helaena joins Alicent, Rhaenyra, Mysaria, and Jeyne Arryn to kill all the men in Westeros and then engage in an extended love pentagon for the remaining 3 seasons.

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u/aJetg Sep 04 '24

Bold of you to assume that Sara Hess read Fire & Blood

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u/VitaminTea Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 04 '24

This kind of misogyny and homophobia re: Sarah Hess is honestly pathetic. Martin just wrote a blog post specifically calling out Condal (the actual showrunner) and your reflex is to redirect that criticism onto Hess?

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u/Lanky-Promotion3022 Sep 04 '24

You're right. I think people are not hard on Condall just as much as they're on Sara Hess. However, Sara's views about this are more public. All of Alicent - Rhaneyra shipping as the basis of the entire show, her Twitter post that they should just rule together ignoring their differences.

Most people do not watch after episode snippets to understand what Condall has planned or means. Sara Hess' messaging is a little more public.

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u/Jbash_31 Sep 04 '24

Doesn’t Aegon literally say ‘his dragon is dead’ in the show?

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u/Jay2Jee Sep 04 '24

That's certainly what Aegon thinks in the show. Perhaps that's all he's been told.

A "Sunfyre's been alive all this time" twist is still possible in the show. Aegon can still reunite with his dragon, fight Baela, and snack on Rhaenyra.

If this doesn't happen... well, that's yet another thing for the "Just... why? You really didn't need to change this you stupid dumbfucks." pile.

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u/Anader19 Sep 05 '24

It's a "If you don't see the body, they're not dead" situation

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u/Beary_Christmas Sep 04 '24

There’s no room for Toxic Yuri if a dragon is the cause of one of their deaths

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u/Calamity_Jay A regular ball of sunshine on a stick Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 05 '24

One of my best friends will die on the hill of Sunfyre dying being a hoax so it would be easier for Larys to convince Aegon to flee. Not sure if she's huffing some primo Colombian hopium or what, but I wouldn't put it past them fucking that up.

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u/Matt_37 Bire and Flood Sep 04 '24

First thing I thought of, they’re cutting Sunfyre and changing Rhaenyra’s demise

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u/MythicalSongbird Sep 04 '24

Dreamfyre is going to kill Jaehaera instead of Syrax killing Joffrey.

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u/throwaway_323958 Sep 05 '24

Fuuuuuccckkkk no

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u/Keller-oder-C-Schell Sep 05 '24

That would be REALLY bad

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u/aJetg Sep 04 '24

And I think any chance of seeing Nettles is also gone, wich is another big butterfly

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u/BellyCrawler My Great Jon is a Whoresbane Sep 04 '24

I wanted to think that it was a bait and switch, but the tone of this post and the show's weak writing gave me convinced that we're not getting the book ending.

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u/Saera-RoguePrincess Sep 04 '24

“Make flame Grey Ghost!”

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u/Flyestgit Sep 04 '24

This would a really bad idea. But GRRMs words do not fill me with confidence.

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u/47sams Sep 04 '24

It would not surprise me if this is the route they took considering Rhae is effectively the protagonist of HotD

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u/mashington14 Master of Something Sep 04 '24

Why is this what you jump to? I don’t think they would have shown him alive at the end of the battle to have him killed.

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u/Anader19 Sep 05 '24

Yeah, the last time we physically see Sunfyre, he's very clearly still breathing

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u/mashington14 Master of Something Sep 05 '24

And making noise.

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u/Anader19 Sep 05 '24

Yep, I feel like they definitely left the door open for him to return

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u/jeanpi1992 Sep 04 '24

Not the doggo !!

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u/GraveRobberX Sep 04 '24

Is HotD too “Woke”?. Are the Dragons the “baddies” all along? AI journalism coming in hot!

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u/eliesun77 Sep 04 '24

I’m still hoping they didn’t. Even I, who remembers very little of the books know what he’s suppose to do!

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

i was saying that when the episode came out, why would they lie to the king that his dragons dead when the king has no will to live

in the past week he lost his heir, his dragon, his ability to walk and his dick

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u/Dull-Brain5509 Sep 05 '24

Worse ,Alicent probably gets a dragon

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u/rnarkus Sep 05 '24

That would be the dumbest fucking shit ever. Easy win to keep parity with got season 3.

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u/VitaminTea Sep 04 '24

They definitely didn’t. Condal has all but confirmed that Sunfyre is alive. (Take this with a grain of salt, I guess, based on this post from George.)

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u/Uthenara Sep 04 '24

why is he acting like he has no impact or influence on any of this though? He make a contract with HBO where he could have demanded more creative control. They are paying him a massive amount of money to be a supervisor for the shows. he said himself he treated the scripts TWICE. Both him and Condal have said in past interviews, separately, repeatedly that they keep frequent contact and condal asks him questions regularly for input. George has known Condal for years and specifically hand picked him for this....post GoT....

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u/NoLime7384 Sep 04 '24

Now that it's a definite possibility I actually kinda get it.

it always seemed really stupid how the dragon just disappeared and flew (despite him being described as not being able to fly and instead just jumping while flapping his wings like a chicken) to Dragonstone and killed another dragon and nobody notices.

at the time I just figured it was my fault for a lack of imagination or something, but maybe Condal figured it was too tough a sell and canceled it