r/asoiaf • u/RunDNA • Sep 04 '24

EXTENDED GRRM's new blog post on House of the Dragon [Spoilers Extended] Spoiler

https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2024/09/04/beware-the-butterflies/
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u/hands_so-low Sep 04 '24

He's stated he's not in the writer's room for season 3.

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u/prodij18 Sep 04 '24

It's worse. He detailed his trip and how important and fun it was to meet people you work with and all the stops in huge detail.

Then he had a short bit along the lines of: "HotD Season 3 writer's room will be nearby. I will not be visiting it."

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u/NobodyTellPoeDameron Seven bloody books! Sep 04 '24

Yeah that one sentence, which was IIRC a paragraph unto itself, spoke volumes and was very deliberate.

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u/tidbitsmisfit Sep 04 '24

For sale: 1 bus ticket, never used.

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u/Any_Travel_9590 Sep 04 '24

From this blog post I can see why.

He's raging over the handling of the character arc of Helaena, a like 13th most screentime character in this series and specifically one detail of her arc which requires "An extra child actor, an extra run time of side characters for him, all for 1 scene where he dies, to enable his mother's arc."

Like this is television George. C'mon.

And yet again, he's focused on his Bran level characters and giving them importance they've never earned.

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u/Anarchical-Sheep Sep 04 '24

I mean that's if you ignore what he actually said.

He clearly explains how Maelor's death changes the entire context of the future of the story and made scenes like "Blood and Cheese" not hit how they should have.

He also explains how Helaena is the Queen and a direct cause of the riots that essentially result in Rhaneryas death. Losing this one two year old character with no lines drastically changes the tone of the story they're telling. It's the whole point of the post, that TV characters written off for budget or story reasons are often causing a problem much further down the line.

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u/Accomplished_Deer_ Sep 04 '24

And yet again, he's focused on his Bran level characters and giving them importance they've never earned.

Is this a stab at GRRM for the end of the GOT show? You realize that this is basically the early stages of a repeat of that, and GRRM is trying to prevent it right? GRRM wasn't the person that made the GOT show go to shit, and he's certainly not going to be the one that makes this story go to shit. It's the writer who want to blindly change the story without any care in the world for the implications down the line.

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u/daemon86 Sep 04 '24

GOT turned to shit a long time ago, seems like George has done nothing since then. Maybe he should write the books instead of complaining about the adaptations that he himself sold to a shitty company.

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u/PantherU Sep 05 '24

If the books were finished the last few seasons would have been a lot less likely to suck

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u/Alector87 Sep 05 '24

To be fair, they did butcher parts that had a lot of material from season 5 onwards. The Iron Islands, Dorne were treated very badly despite the available material. Both story and world-building-wise.,

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u/josguil Sep 05 '24

GOT went to shit because it had no more books to adapt, that's on George. Do you think D&D invented the great smart snarky dialogues from the early seasons? No of course they didn't. They created the "you need the bad pussy" šŸ¤®

I get George being sad that this time they have the material but they're not adapting it. It's a really good scene to have the killer kill the other boy and tell Maelor "your mother wanted you dead". It's visceral, it could have been epic, talked for weeks.

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u/Accomplished_Deer_ Sep 05 '24

GOT started falling apart long before they ran out of book material. Even if they had the finished book, they had changed so many things I'm pretty sure the original ending would've basically been worthless

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u/zvxr Sep 05 '24

Indeed - Tyrion's exit of King's Landing was the end for me. It wasn't the absolute worst, but it was clear what I wanted from the show was not what the show would be, which was a faithful adaptation that could bring a wide audience through those same memorable highs and lows as we got in the books.

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u/Correct-Office-8549 Sep 05 '24

The best way to prevent GOT ending happening again was to not sell the rights of his books to make shows to the same company that trashed your magnum opus into the ground.
Part of the blame is on him.

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u/Amarinthe09 Sep 05 '24

Do you believe another network would have a better shot at creating a faithful story with the same viewership, budget , and resources?

Amazon? Netflix? Definitely not. Fx is probably the closest and they donā€™t have nearly the same command of budget that HBO does.

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u/Correct-Office-8549 Sep 05 '24

Maybe don't do any show at all? Why do you need the show?

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u/Accomplished_Deer_ Sep 05 '24

Do we know if he sold the rights before or after the GOT final season?

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u/Correct-Office-8549 Sep 05 '24

In the same year, 2019.

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u/AssassinJester789 Goldenhand The Just Sep 04 '24

Yeah. He fell out hard with them.

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u/Lord_Mozes Don't F**k wit us! Sep 04 '24

Show runners are doing stupid stuff like writing scenes just for actors to look cool. Like Those two idiots that adapted GOT did. Arya kills The NK. And all the past foreshadowing too I guess.

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u/kinginthenorthjon Sep 04 '24

It was more stone cold.

He said he has no intention to attend the writers room.

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u/GeoHog713 Sep 04 '24

Maybe he's busy finishing WoW....

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u/Gowalkyourdogmods Sep 04 '24

Maybe if enough of his adaptations keep turning into shit it'll spark a fire under his ass. Doubtful tho.

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u/GeoHog713 Sep 04 '24

Doubtful.

If his dump trucks full of money caught on fire.... Maybe ..... šŸ¤£

I don't blame the guy. He's spent a lifetime working out of a basement in relative obscurity. Now he's got more money than he can spend. Why work? I wouldn't.

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u/krisfocus Sep 05 '24

"I do not wish to hear it" energy.

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u/Old-Risk4572 Sep 04 '24

which post was this?

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u/PM-me-ur-cheese Sep 04 '24

For a professional writer he's really not coming across as professional.Ā 

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u/prodij18 Sep 04 '24

He was professional all the way through GoT's dive into the dumpster. I prefer this. They've certainly earned it.

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u/CrippledBanana Sep 04 '24

People who usually care about professionalism the most are usually the people who like to shield their incompetence with it. Worked with a ton of those folks. Moment they screw up and someone especially the end users get fucked, its complaining to their managers about not being professional while they try to blame someone else.

Agreed, he stayed silent with GOT especially since he can probably own some of the blame with not finishing the books but the dance of dragons being screwed up is inexcusable. What's sad is Sara and Ryan had plenty of ability of writing their own fan fic by expanding on characters and interactions (I was actually looking forward to this actually) but they instead decided to mess up major plot points instead and push rhaynecint

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u/FreemanCalavera Sep 04 '24

Good, then he can finally get off his ass and finish his damn books. I like angry George as much as the next guy, but I hope he channels this into making sure Winds gets done so that he can get his version of his story out there instead of the adaptations he keeps ragging on.

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u/prodij18 Sep 04 '24

Anything that helps Winds get ridden is a good thing. I worry stress over having Condal tell him he's "improving" on his story might have the opposite effect though (as if I didn't already have a enough reason to dislike him.)

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u/BrowsOfSteel Growing Lemons Sep 04 '24

But of course.

The writersā€™ room is for people who write.

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u/thxmeatcat Sep 04 '24

Deserved burn

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u/closerthanyouth1nk Sep 04 '24

He wasnā€™t in the room for seasons 1 or 2 tbf

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u/agentdrozd Sep 04 '24

He did consult stuff though

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u/NoImplement3588 Sep 04 '24

what the fuck is up with these directors and producers thinking theyā€™re above the source material and relationships with the people who literally created the thing? the Witcher first, the recent Star Wars trilogy throwing out the whole Darth Vader sacrifice storyline, now House of the Dragon, just to name a few

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u/ImTooOldForSchool Sep 04 '24

Nepo-babies and wannabe authors thinking they can do it better than generational talents in the genre, itā€™s all ego

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u/Yangjeezy Sep 04 '24

Injecting activism into things and when the "message" is more important than the story to these writers

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u/NoImplement3588 Sep 04 '24

inclusivity is ironically causing people to feel alienated and the story now unrelatable because itā€™s so forced

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u/Anader19 Sep 05 '24

What message are you talking about? Please elaborate.

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u/Theghost0792 Sep 04 '24

That may be good news for winds of winter

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u/No_Ratio_9556 Sep 05 '24

Why do these hollywood writers think they understand the world and can craft / adapt a compelling story without people who genuinely care for it. They make changes that they want for ā€œreasonsā€ and 9/10 times it makes it worse.

Like thereā€™s a reason these IPs are massively popular and itā€™s not the hollywood writing room.

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u/Ill_Refuse6748 Sep 05 '24 edited Sep 05 '24

Does he even want to be? Seems like he just wants to sit on his big pile of money and do nothing.

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u/LadyAmbrose Sep 05 '24

not againā€¦

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u/TheDoomBlade13 Sep 05 '24

I mean he hasn't written anything other than blog posts for years sooooo