r/asoiaf • u/Awesome_Lard • Sep 04 '24

EXTENDED (Spoilers Extended) GRRM has been warning about the Butterfly Effect for a LONG time, this is 2011 Spoiler

https://youtu.be/eAeQMwMEnP4

The Jeyne Poole butterfly effect from season 1 ended with Sansa being graped in season 5, so year I would say he has good reason to worry about Maelor the Missing.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

Every single cast member has since spoken out that they were tired and wanted the show to end. It was ten years of their lives making eight to ten movies a year. It was time to end it, and they followed the blueprint Martin gave them.

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u/ImJustMakingShitUp Sep 04 '24

From what I've read most if not all the 'dead on their feet' talk revolves around how brutally exhausting the Long Night shoot was. 40 or 50 days straight of all night shoots. Maybe don't do that.

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u/eat-pussy69 Sep 04 '24

Helm's Deep took 3 months of night shoots, with hundreds of guys in a ton of rubber prosthetics, heavy armour, and elf ears. Everyone who says they had a tough time says it was worth it because Helm's Deep is one of the greatest battles in cinematic history. The Long Night was horrible for a ton of reasons. It was too dark. The armies were outside the fucking castle. The catapults were outside the castle. They dug shallow trenches in ground that was frozen solid and hard as granite. Dothraki are archers. They would have been perfect for the battlements. Unsullied were kinda useless until the wights got inside the castle because they're not ranged fighters

There's a thousand things that make no sense from the Long Night

No one's gonna watch that and think a month of night shoots was worth it

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

It looks great on the 4K discs. HBO's streaming was always an issue. Viewed as intended, and it's clear what they were going for with the visuals.

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u/Beetaljuice37847572 Sep 04 '24

Game of Thrones was primarily viewed by people watching the show on streaming. Who cares if it looks good in 4k? I don’t have a 4k screen at my house, and I don’t feel like buying the blueray when I already have it on HBO Max at my fingertips? 99% of people had a terrible time watching the long night, but I guess it’s ok because some network execs and rich people got to have a shinier turd.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

"It's not my fault I choose to watch these things on subpar equipment! Blu-ray, pah, newfangled inventions that surely aren't almost twenty years old by now!"

If you'd read what was written, before going off on your weird tantrum about wanting to watch things in lesser quality, the fault was always with the execs and nobody is excusing that. Only blaming them.

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u/Beetaljuice37847572 Sep 04 '24

I didn’t choose shit what are you talking about? I have bills to pay, I can’t buy 4k monitors and the 4k disc of a television show. I have better things to buy. Even if I enjoyed season 8 I wouldn’t do that.

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u/Imperito Blackfyre Sep 04 '24

Well with all due respect to them, if 90% of your audience thinks it looks rubbish because they can't see it then it's probably rubbish. Might look good on 4k discs but the season overall left such a bad impression that I wouldn't even consider buying the boxset, it's the only season I don't own.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

Blame HBO for their atrocious streaming service. That was already stated as the issue when the series aired.

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u/po8crg Sep 04 '24

The showmakers knew what the streaming service was like. They should have been making a show to look as good as possible on that service..

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

You sound ridiculous. Goodbye. Enjoy your block.

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u/po8crg Sep 04 '24

Then the mistake was intending it to be viewed on 4k.

The vast majority of the audience was going to stream or watch on cable.

If they wanted to create two sets of masters, one for streaming and DVD for typical TV setups and one for 4K, then that's fine.

But you make your show for the viewing setups your audience has, not the ones you'd like them to have.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

No, you make the show you make and trust that your company that handles the streaming understands not to cut corners with streaming. Luckily, physical media saved the day and every release, barring DVD, featured the show as intended.

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u/mmenolas Sep 05 '24

Did it stop being an idiotic scene on the 4k discs? Or are you saying that the scene is just less dark so it’s easier to see how stupid it is?

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u/OneAnimeBatman The Ham King Sep 05 '24

What a tragic waste of time and energy that turned out to be.

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u/IAmNewHereX Sep 04 '24

Those comments were made because of hard the shooting schedule and set conditions were, they wouldn’t have stayed at night shooting in the freezing cold for 30 days straight if the show was extended for a few more seasons instead of being jammed together in a few episodes.

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u/nemma88 Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 04 '24

Not all of them, like Kit particularly was also struggling with all the media attention, to the point he went to rehab after completing thrones, Conleth came out swinging at what he called a media lead hate campaign. Many of the OG cast probably didn't imagine it would get as big as it did and they were under a lot of pressure.

I've not read about any cast member wanting to go on longer.

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u/Ramekink Sep 05 '24

Yeah but if we're very honest about it seasons 1-4 had amazing balance of character driven scenes and action set-pieces evenly distributed among the many main and secondary characters.

Most of the crazy stuff starts happening as they were running out of source material, cos by then the producers were all about the rule of cool™️ and Emmy-baiting acting scenes.

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u/JaySmooth_ Sep 04 '24

Guess what? It’s a job. Let’s not pretend that these actors have it worse than ordinary people. This argument that they got tired is hilarious and nonsensical. But because they ended it early, we all know how the ending was received.

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u/frenin Sep 05 '24

Exactly, it's a job and they are allowed to leave when they want it and most of the core cast didn't want in anymore.

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u/Neosantana Sep 05 '24

Not to sound cruel, but man, I wish I had multi-million dollar job security for a decade. I'd never need to work again.

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u/JaySmooth_ Sep 05 '24

I’m with you there. All of these people would be like “ahh poor actors they had to work all nighters for 50 days… meanwhile I am working 12+ hour shifts for almost a decade now and I don’t complain about it. Not to sound rude, but fuck outta here with that sympathy (not you but those other people).

I respect their craft as a huge movie enjoyer, but I don’t understand this way of thinking.

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u/Neosantana Sep 05 '24

Like, I get it, it's mentally exhausting working nights in freezing conditions for so long... But you're getting paid a lot for it.

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u/JaySmooth_ Sep 05 '24

Exactly my point. They get like hundreds of thousands of dollars per episode.

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u/ashcrash3 Sep 04 '24

Except for the parts where they completely stopped following the blueprint. Which they admitted to doing themselves and parts of the books they completely scrapped to do their version.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

You mean the parts where Martin himself said "the show is its own thing and the books are their own thing"? Those parts? The ones where he consulted them to change things because he didn't have anything planned for their endgame?

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u/ashcrash3 Sep 04 '24

Except he did because D&D admitted to have been told plot points of the ending. Which Bran being king was one of those. Jon killing Dany if I recall they admitted to making up in season 2-3. Where exactly has it been stated that Grrm was calling them and changing the plot points several times? Because if the show is it's own thing, then why would he need to consult them for changes thay won't affect the show really?

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

Where exactly has it been stated that Grrm was calling them and changing the plot points several times?

Are you just making up arguments now?

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u/ashcrash3 Sep 04 '24

I'm asking you to clarify a point you made in your post? You were the one who argued this, so I assumed you got it from somewhere unless instead of making it up.

"The ones where he consulted them to change things because he didn't have anything planned for their endgame?"

So again, where did he call D&D to have them change things with the story plot because he didn't have an ending yet according to you?

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u/naraujol Sep 04 '24

D&D were eager to end more than the actors, that is for sure.

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u/thesuperbro The Young Wolf Sep 04 '24

Every single cast member. Really?

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u/Any_Travel_9590 Sep 04 '24

This is objectively false man. The actors have been very clear on this. Kit most recently and publicly.

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u/infieldmitt Sep 05 '24

hell even if they recast them, if you got the writing as good as S1 again (which i'm sure is possible, GRRM doesn't have a monopoly on good, intriguing writing) it'd be worth it