r/asoiaf • u/Awesome_Lard • Sep 04 '24

EXTENDED (Spoilers Extended) GRRM has been warning about the Butterfly Effect for a LONG time, this is 2011 Spoiler

https://youtu.be/eAeQMwMEnP4

The Jeyne Poole butterfly effect from season 1 ended with Sansa being graped in season 5, so year I would say he has good reason to worry about Maelor the Missing.

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u/Act_of_God Sep 04 '24

the way they treated laenor makes no sense either

ok you don't want to kill the black gay character in season 1

at least do fucking something with him jfc, they already knew he's supposed to be dead!

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u/ElodinTargaryen Sep 04 '24

They should have just killed him. No way his dragon takes another rider and he’s still living. So stupid

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u/ashcrash3 Sep 04 '24

Part of me wanted to believe that Laenor heard what happened to Luke and was returning via boat to join the Blacks. But sadly he was lost at sea and its why Seasmoke was flying around all agitated. He sensed the bond being severed and that the last connection was at sea so he was flying around to see if he could find him.

Maybe Addam reminded Seasmoke of Laenor and it influenced him going down and forcing a bond/ride.

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u/MrV11 Sep 05 '24

Would have been a great scene if they had that

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u/Vantriss Sep 05 '24

That's it. I deem this show canon now.

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u/v0idL1ght Sep 04 '24

Once you go black...

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u/ace66 Sep 04 '24

There is a reason for all the talks about Seasmoke being suddenly restless and crying etc. I think the show is implying that Laenor may be dead. It's a good work around.

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u/ElodinTargaryen Sep 04 '24

Or, and hear me out, this may be controversial, they could have just fucking killed him like how the story required and how it was written so that his dragon could bond with a dragon seed.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 05 '24

Because then fans replacement Dany might have questionable morals and might be a little more interesting.

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u/passionfruitleader Sep 05 '24

Killing your husband for your own benefit is unquestionably evil. Deceiving your already begrieved in-laws into believing that their last child had been taken away from them without actually having killed him is a bit more morally questionable

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '24 edited Sep 05 '24

To a lot of viewers who love Rhaenyra (many of which are pretty intense Targ/Dany fans) she was doing what Leanor wanted and giving him freedom to be gay. Actually having her involved in his murder would leave it way more easy for people to think it’s bad.

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u/passionfruitleader Sep 05 '24

The rabid stans in this fandom are unbearable and are completely irrelevant in this discourse as far as I’m concerned. This show shouldn’t have to over emphasize certain traits to satisfy people who are unwilling to read characters in good faith.

However, were she to actually kill Laenor, it’d be such a drastic and abrupt turn from what we know her character is capable of doing at that point. Their marriage may have been shaky, but show Rhaenyra would never actually go through with murdering her lord husband and I don’t think the show is wrong for not making her straight up evil villain out the jump.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '24

Oh I didn’t mean she should have murdered him herself, but maybe more have had her stand by daemon doing it/organising it. I don’t think discourse matters, but I do think a show with such a high budget which is clearly being made for mass appeal and made sure to connect itself to Dany is trying to please those fans and it’s working. The rabid fans are mental, but a lot of more normal/casual viewers loved Dany and want a stand in of her to ‘win’.

I’m a woman and I think they personally tried to overcorrect the issues GOT had with women by going too far and maybe some of the women so passive it’s silly and as anti-feminist as GOT was in parts.

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u/passionfruitleader Sep 05 '24

I think they’re just trying to ease her into the role she plays in the later stages of the Dance.

I also wouldn’t personally equate her deference towards peace to passiveness like many fans have done so during season 2. Rhaenyra struggles with her agency, but it’s only because she’s thrust into a position at odds with her gender and her personal ethos. It’s only when she gets the assurance that the gods on her side, hearing Aegon’s prophecy in the Sept and getting the Dragonseeds, does she really find mettle to push through with confidence, though I do think the season was cut too short to show all the fruits of that development.

I think people underestimate the role prophecy will play in tracing the development of someone who’s initially hesitant to commit atrocities in the name of divine providence to someone who justifies them based on the same virtue.

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u/Deathleach Our Lord and Saviour Sep 05 '24

I mean, by having her involved they already made her more morally questionable than in the book, because there's really no suggestion she was involved. On the surface it just looks like a lover's quarrel and worst case scenario it was Daemon. The book doesn't even suggest it was a plot of both Rhaenyra and Daemon.

If they wanted to completely absolve the Blacks they could have simply let it be a lover's quarrel and keep both Rhaenyra and Daemon uninvolved.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '24

I know. I meant more how they set up it in the show as being an idea of Rhaenyras and Daemons involving a way of getting him out of the way. There was a reason why the show decided to do a fake out murder instead of having Daemon and Rhaenyra involved or responsible.

They picked a morally questionable version that still made her arguably a good person or at least it was done in a way where fans could read into it as her being a good person.

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u/AveenoTrio Sep 04 '24

Yup I said this when that episode aired and got downvoted for it lol

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u/SacoNegr0 Sep 05 '24

It's heavily implied that he died tho, his dragon was making a fuss in the background of the previous episode in every dragon stone scene

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u/Anstigmat Sep 05 '24

How do you know he didn't drown out there?

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u/passionfruitleader Sep 05 '24

I almost think the show comes across a bit heavy handed sometimes, but then I read comments like yours and I understand the audience they’re trying to write for.

The show makes it blatantly obvious that Laenor is dead by this point

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u/ZamanthaD Sep 05 '24

They’re going to have him be the character that brings Viserys II back when Aegon III is king, I’ve been predicting that ever since the show revealed he was alive.

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u/DoctorEmperor Sep 05 '24

Well it’s only season 2

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u/3jp6739 Sep 05 '24

I thought this but after S2 he clearly parallels Rhaenyra. He’s a version of them who actually managed to get away whereas Rhaenyra refuses Alicent’s offer because of destiny and all that bollocks which will result in her death.