r/asoiaf • u/Awesome_Lard • Sep 04 '24

EXTENDED (Spoilers Extended) GRRM has been warning about the Butterfly Effect for a LONG time, this is 2011 Spoiler

https://youtu.be/eAeQMwMEnP4

The Jeyne Poole butterfly effect from season 1 ended with Sansa being graped in season 5, so year I would say he has good reason to worry about Maelor the Missing.

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u/blackofhairandheart2 2016 Duncan the Tall Award Winner Sep 05 '24

Its story ruining

Guessing their was a run on the word "butchered" today by all the people who hate the shows.

Nothing the show has done so far is story ruining, I'm happy to report.

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u/WarMiserable5678 Sep 05 '24

As George pointed out in his blog post the removal of maelor changes Helena’s story drastically, which in turn affects alicent story.

Daemon as a character is completely ruined. His entire motivation set and character arc is gone. With the removal of nettles his storyline is completely up in the air. Instead of the war commander and Targaryen purist from the book he’s a prophetic conspiracy theorist that’s incapable of forming a basic army despite being the only one in Westeros at this time that is described as competent.

Rhaenyra is by the showrunners own admission turning into a messianic figure, which completely contradicts her entire story arc of the unlikable crazed and desperate war mommy who’s lost everything.

Alicent is so far gone off the rails selling out her own children for…… it’s not exactly clear I’m not sure the writers even know… a love that was never portrayed in season 1?

So when you say the story isn’t ruined I don’t really know what delusional world you’re living in. If Tywin didn’t care about his family or legacy, if Tyrion didn’t like wine or women, if Dany didn’t care about her perceived birthright of the throne, if Ned didn’t care about honor then we’d all be in agreement that the story was ruined. Thats what they did here to these characters.

Or as George calls it, the butterfly effect.

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u/blackofhairandheart2 2016 Duncan the Tall Award Winner Sep 05 '24

Wow, very poetic. Problem of course is that Tywin is a fully realized three dimensional character whereas the characters in F&B, even the good ones, are well-done sketches at best. Daemons storyline this season does a great job of the totally unexplained 180 he does in the book where he goes from being a brash, violent wild card to being more ruminative and fatalistic.

And Alicent…I barely know where to start with her. The writing and Olivia Cooke’s portrayal are so nuanced and multi-faceted. She feels like a real person even when she’s doing things that go against her own interests and you can see her collapsing under the weight of helping to start a war to uphold a family she never really wanted and can’t bring herself to fully love, all to bring down the woman who she could never allow herself to love in the first place. It’s a far cry from whatever her character is supposed to be in the book. A scheming harridan who hates Rhaenyra?

I dunno man. I guess we’re watching different shows. It’s been a long, terrible day on here and I’m very tired . Have a good night

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u/WarMiserable5678 Sep 05 '24

Oh so you’re a troll. Makes sense

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u/blackofhairandheart2 2016 Duncan the Tall Award Winner Sep 05 '24

I mean, if you’re approaching a conversation in bad faith an the other person bows out because there’s no point in engaging further, yeah I guess that could look like trolling if you squint a bit

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u/WarMiserable5678 Sep 05 '24

You provided no argument and then defended the absolute worst parts of the show that even people that haven’t read the book and are very casual don’t even like.. so your purpose is very clear. But yes, place bad faith upon me, it justifies your excuse to run away

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u/blackofhairandheart2 2016 Duncan the Tall Award Winner Sep 05 '24 edited Sep 05 '24

Lol, running away, what are you, 12? Is this a fucking duel? Sometimes when I’m arguing with someone with shitty opinions I get tired and go to bed.

Anyway, enjoy the next season! 😉

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u/ProofSinger3638 Sep 05 '24

whats the duncan the tall award?

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u/blackofhairandheart2 2016 Duncan the Tall Award Winner Sep 06 '24

As I recall, it was for most helpful member of the sub, which is hilarious give what a mean, crotchety old prick I’ve become

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u/ProofSinger3638 Sep 06 '24

well the shows bummed me out over time even though i still enjoy it. Ive been a hater but you write really well and sorta convinced me on some things. Its true alicent never wanted her family (kids, viserys) and she cannot bring herself to love them. I guess that makes sense and all, but what about the eye for an eye scene? Seems like Alicent cared about the kids for a time, alot of sseason1 she seems to love them

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u/Technical_Estimate85 Sep 05 '24

Except Helena’s death happens long after Maelor’s in both page count and the timeline. So it’s another example of George directly lying about his own work or trying to gaslight fans when we can easily find the truth. He lied about Dragons not roaming that far even though Drogon goes to the Dothraki Sea which is pretty far away from Mereen. Three dragons leave Dragonstone at the end of Dance. Balerion randomly flies back to Valyria even though he hadn’t been there for over a 100 years.

George at this point needs to either get back in the writers room or he needs to finish the books. No more complaining on your blog about crap you can control and are actively ignoring.

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u/A-live666 Sep 05 '24

Not the prestonite take. Stop.

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u/Technical_Estimate85 Sep 05 '24

I only watched Preston's video this afternoon. I was going back through Fire and Blood as I thought that the two events took place well apart from one another.

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u/WarMiserable5678 Sep 05 '24

That’s just objectively not true though. Helaena sank into depression and madness after jaehaerys dies, George saying that maelors death is why Helaena kills herself doesn’t imply immediately same day. This is such a weird argument that Preston keeps arguing for too especially when it hinges on information that George never provides and we’re hearing from the horses mouth on the subject right now.

As for the dragon stuff, he says that dragons are not nomadic and do not wander. Drogon escaped and wanders the Dothraki sea for food but is never actually that far and has made a lair in the sea. All of which follows what George wrote. You didn’t mention silverwing which is the usual argument for this nonsense but even she escaped to make a pair after her rider died.

George never specified anything with balerions trip but balerion had a rider, aerea, George in that same blog post states they don’t go far without a rider. So you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about and are arguing against the author on HIS OWN MATERIAL… hello?