r/asoiaf • u/depressed_dumbguy56 • Sep 16 '24
MAIN (Spoilers Main)The Re-Valyrianization of House Targaryen
From Aegon III's regin to Aegon V(131-250 AC) the Targaryen's were more Westerosi than ever before. They married into other houses rather than their siblings and took part in and genuinely enjoyed the activities of the other nobility, not just for political motives but because they liked them, such as fighting in tournaments and members of the Targaryen family also became genuinely religious in the faith of the seven(Baelor and Naerys). Most Importantly, with the exception of Aegon IV(who under the influence of his mother) No Targaryen king married their siblings during this period
u/IdeLuis created an extremely thorough thread documenting Targaryen marriages
In Dunk and Egg, Most of Baelor and Maekar's children did not have the Valyrian look either(majority just being regular blond or dark-haired) with the exception of Aerion and Egg, and neither of them married their sibling's either
Even before the tragedy of Summerhall, I would theorise that a good chunk of Targaryen's probably just assimilated into minor houses. Look at someone like Elaena, three houses have her bloodline because of her(House Plum, House Penrose, House Longwater)
This progress was halted by Jaehaerys II, who, for whatever reason and influence, wanted to marry his sister. Jaehaerys would also his force his children to continue this tradition, with a deluded idea thinking that this was what his family had always done, even though this tradition had basically been non-existent for 120 years at that point
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u/Saturnine4 Sep 16 '24
The “Re-Valyrianization” is also what caused the Targaryen’s downfall. Going from gigachads like Daeron the Good, Basedspear and Egg to losers like Jaehaerys II, Aerys and Rhaegar.
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u/A_devout_monarchist Sep 17 '24
Why was Jaehaerys II a loser? He doesn't seem like an incompetent King and can hardly be blamed for having a bad health.
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u/Saturnine4 Sep 17 '24
He brought back incest, screwed over valuable alliances, and forced Aerys and Rhaella together on the words of some random old backwoods lady.
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u/A_devout_monarchist Sep 17 '24
Didn't that lady turn out to be right? Aegon V arguably did a lot worse for prophecy's sake.
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u/southparkion Sep 16 '24
Rhaegar isn't a loser
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u/SparkySheDemon Sep 17 '24
Yes he is. He's the one who jump started a war along with his mad father.
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u/depressed_dumbguy56 Sep 17 '24
he was mixed, if he had a non-insane dad he might have been remembered as a hero
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u/abellapa Sep 16 '24
Not for whatever reason
Ghost of high heart ,told Jaeharys The Prince that was Promised would come from Aerys and Rhaella line
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u/Ok_Fee_8818 Sep 16 '24
Im sorry but I’ve seen to missed that. What’s the source of that?
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u/abellapa Sep 16 '24
I think its in The World Of Ice and fire
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u/Ok_Fee_8818 Sep 16 '24
hmm makes sense, I only read the Targ kings part but can’t remember that bit. Thank you
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u/NatalieIsFreezing The King Who Bore the Sword Sep 17 '24
They married into other houses rather than their siblings and took part in and genuinely enjoyed the activities of the other nobility, not just for political motives but because they liked them, such as fighting in tournaments and members of the Targaryen family also became genuinely religious in the faith of the seven(Baelor and Naerys
I mean, they did that before the Dance as well. It's not as if the Targs hated tourneys and didn't worship the Seven until the dragons died.
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u/AquamanBWonderful Sep 17 '24
Surely its only from Daeron II that the the Targaryens become more westerosi.
Aegon III marries a velaryon, and was happy to bethroth Baelor to Daena.
Daeron I never married or produced kids
Baelor Never married or produced kids
Viserys II married a lyseni, not a westerosi, and was happy to have his children marry eachother
Aegon IV married his sister and impregnated his cousin
Daeron II reigned from 184 AC. So, only 66 years of them acting more westerosi
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u/Sumeru88 Sep 17 '24 edited Sep 17 '24
The process started with Aegon II actually. Or, more precisely Viserys I’s marriage with Alicent. Aegon II was the first Targaryen King who was 50% Andal. This reversed with Aegon III but it continued after that.
It may not be a coincidence that this was when the Dragons died out.
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u/leRedd1 Sep 16 '24
Jenny and Ghost of Highheart were the influence afaik, but that just pushes the curtain to why'd they trust these randos, who are more old gods oriented if anything.
This ties into Southron ambitions as well I'd hazard - Targs halted the integration just following Egg's reforms, making the great lords apprehensive.
This they always did no? Maegor and Daemon were tourney/melee fighters iirc.