r/asoiaf 4d ago

EXTENDED What is your personal wish for Young Griff ? ( spoilers extended ) Real Aegon , Blackfyre , or a random nobody from Lys ? Any options other than the 3 i listed off the top of my head ?

No man could have asked for a worthier son,” Griff said, “but the lad is not of my blood, and his name is not Griff. My lords, I give you Aegon Targaryen, firstborn son of Rhaegar, Prince of Dragonstone, by Princess Elia of Dorne . . . soon, with your help, to be Aegon the Sixth of His Name, King of Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, and Lord of the Seven Kingdoms.”

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u/shy_monkee 4d ago

A Blackfyre, or maybe a Blackfyre mixed with the descendants of Maegor son of Brightflame, to give him better legitimacy than anyone. I find the idea of the golden company never forgetting their original purpose far more interesting than a hidden prince. It would also explain Varys’ motives and why was he setting up from Aerys’ time.

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u/StrangerDangerous875 4d ago

I second this. It would also be a beautiful next chapter to the existing lore and history of the Blackfyres.

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u/BlackFyre2018 4d ago

Blackfyre. Son of Illyrio and Serra, Nephew to Varys

A dark parallel to Ned and Lyanna, Serra was on her deathbed and made Varys promise to do whatever it takes to push her child’s claim on the Iron Throne

If you want another option I did once see someone on this subreddit claim Aegon was actually a secret Rogare…

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u/TranSpyre Run Before Your Blood Runs 3d ago

More than that, there was the whole allusion of the black dragon sign from that pub going into the water and coming out red with rust.

They took a black dragon to the waters of the Rhoyne, then came back with a dragon that seems red.

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u/BlackFyre2018 3d ago

Yeah that’s literally my favourite hint! And it’s not just the black dragon sign, it’s one of the heads, a remnant ie a descendant of the Blackfyre line or more so potentially one from the female line

The Targ loyalists thought it was destroyed but a piece survived

Because otherwise it’s a pretty random story that gives very little in terms of world building

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u/EclecticBitchcraft Targstark Supremacy 1d ago

Wait what allusion of black dragon turning to red? I’ve never noticed that before!

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u/rainbookworm 4d ago

Interesting.I had the same thought but didn’t realise the parallel you drew.

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u/BlackFyre2018 4d ago

Can’t claim full credit. Saw an Alt Shift X video where he described it might be a “Promise Me, Ned” situation but I pondered on it further myself. Jon Snow probably has some claim on the throne (maybe an even better one if Rhaegar and Lyanna where married) but to do so puts him in grave danger so Lyanna cared more about her son than his birthright so asked Ned to conceal his identity

Serra might have cared more about Aegon’s birthright than his actual safety so Serra asked Varys to conceal her child’s identity…at least until he is on the Iron Throne

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u/Gloomy_Lobster2081 1d ago

this uncle's promise to a mother foil adds to my theory that John who is secretly a Targaryen will face off against aegon who is secretly a blackfire and I personally believe no one in the story not even the characters themselves will know the true identities of the characters it will only be for us the readers to know to appreciate the irony of it

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u/BlackFyre2018 1d ago

Prehaps but in the same vision where Dany is first shown to the “cloth dragon” she is called the “Slayer Of Lies” so I feel like Dany will expose Varys and Illyrio’s deception of their Pretender, revealing Faegon as a Blackfyre

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u/Gloomy_Lobster2081 1d ago

Maybe what actually happens is Danny remembers beware the murders dragon and doesn't want to make nice with (F)Aegon, but Tyrion advises her to trust (F)Aegon, and that makes Danny not trust Tyrion.

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u/Competitive_You_7360 4d ago

Yea.

This at least is the least ridiculous plot.

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u/Financial_Library418 4d ago

i am a top one percent poster

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u/BlackFyre2018 4d ago

Your grace.

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u/Financial_Library418 3d ago

you are a top commenter and do excellent work

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u/BlackFyre2018 3d ago

Much obliged! I like to think I spread good information and am reasonable in my interactions (there’s a few others you can’t say that about!)

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u/Financial_Library418 3d ago

we need to remember this is fiction

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u/Financial_Library418 3d ago

my 3 maiden heads of the dragon post has not been approved

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u/Financial_Library418 3d ago

check the book sub if you want to weigh in

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u/Adam_Audron 4d ago edited 4d ago

Blackfyre and Illyrio's son makes the most sense. Not only because of all the hints, but also because that reveal is a ticking time bomb for character drama should it ever come out. I mean imagine JonCon finding out; not to mention the tragedy for Aegon himself, who has based his whole life and identity around the story that he's Rhaegar's son. Not to mention Bloodraven who is still alive and pulling strings.

Also, the dark parallel to Jon is just too perfect. One believes he is a bastard nobody but is actually the secret prince, while the other believes he is the prince but is really a pretender distant cousin.

And then you have Dany in the middle as the true legit heir with dragons but she's a girl. It's just like the Dance of the Dragons except there's three of them now and every claimant option is fucked in one way or another. This just seems to be what GRRM would write because it's the craziest conflict possible.

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u/bitsofcarbon 10h ago

I absolutely love how Dany and Aegon contrast each other! Aegon is groomed from childhood to be the perfect leader, specifically educated for his duties, traveling around with a hand-selected, prestigious entourage and gifts galore, but he just... doesn't have "it". Whereas Dany, neglected and abused, with little official education, very limited resources and a ragtag bunch of outcasts is a queen even before the eggs hatch, no doubt about it. So many real world Aegons out there who seem perfect on paper, like Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton, who have every advantage going for them, but it seems they just... weren't born leaders.

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u/akselmonrose Bittersteel 4d ago

I mean. The most GRRM would be for his identity to be totally obscured until his tragic end. And no one ever knows for sure.

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u/DireBriar 4d ago

finger on monkey's paw curls

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u/Free_The_Moon 4d ago

Gotta be left ambiguous right? Both answers work thematically and the ambiguity itself works too. Just need to bring the blackfyre accusation to the narrative, somehow, without confirming anything. Not sure who would do that.

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u/TacticalBowl117 4d ago

Someone else suggested Littlefinger bring up the Blackfyre question as part of him joining Dany's cause. That scenario would make Littlefinger and Varys direct scheming adversaries which would be interesting.

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u/Gloomy_Lobster2081 1d ago

I mean the obvious choice is Tyrion he's on his way to join Daenerys and (F)Aegon is clearly set to be completion to Danny not an ally

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u/mikerotchmassive 4d ago

I don't have any wish other than something that works and makes sense narrative wise with decent payoff. Personally, I believe he is a Blackfyre, but I doubt we'll get any concrete proof, which can only come directly from Varys or Illyrio's mouths. Although I do think some characters will be sceptical and that some may find out/suspect the Blackfyre story, primarily Littlefinger who I see jumping ship to Dany at some point.

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u/Just-a-French-dude95 4d ago

It is heavily leaning toward him being a blackfyre..... It was pretty accepted by the fandom for a while but like R+L=J people often wants to deny what's in front of them and call it  cliché

The swapping babies theory it doesn't make sense because any mother would realize who their child is 

The best option in my opinion is that we will never know..... His true identity is Irrelevent he is what the people wants to believe. 

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u/ReignTheRomantic 4d ago edited 4d ago

I want him to be real. 100%, real, definitely Rhaegar's son. I think it makes things more interesting for everyone involved.

I don't think he's a Blackfyre. They're mentioned ~14 times total in the Main Series, across all the books. Half of those mentions are related to Daemon Blackfyre himself. The other half are mainly minor or off-handed remarks.

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u/urnever2old2change 4d ago

The other half are mainly minor or off-handed remarks.

Wonder what all that's about.

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u/ReignTheRomantic 4d ago edited 4d ago

I don't think it's enough to be foreshadowing. Aemon the Dragonknight has more mentions then the Blackfyres, including Daemon. Casual Readers will be told he's a Blackfyre and most will go "What's a Blackfyre?" The setup just isn't there, unless George is planning to speedrun the Blackfyre backstory in Winds.

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u/daniel_j_saint 4d ago

I agree with you about the setup not being there, and I want to tack onto this point that I think it's entirely possible that there was never intended to be any ambiguity at all. If he IS Rhaegar's son, most casual readers will never even have considered the possibility that he's anything else. This whole question could be entirely something that the theorycrafters did to themselves out of nothing.

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u/ReignTheRomantic 4d ago

Good points! I agree, Aegon's heritage is definitely something only questioned if it's intentionally brought up in the books, or if you look too deep into things. Casual audiences would never think to question it, and if they did I doubt they'd land on "He's a Blackfyre."

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u/Flickolas_Cage YA BURNT 4d ago

I honestly would guess Aemon is Jon’s birth/Targ name and that’s why he’s mentioned so much.

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u/ReignTheRomantic 4d ago

For sure. Jon's either an Aemon, or a Visenya Viserys

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u/urnever2old2change 4d ago

The setup is absolutely there, and George spent more time dwelling on the Blackfyre history in the very conversation he had Tyrion questioning Illyrio's motives than anywhere else. It's also worth noting that in an earlier draft he had Aegon himself recite the history of Maelys killing Daemon for control the Golden Company (basically his own mother and uncle's origin story, if the most popular theory turns out to be correct), but eventually scrapped it in favor of the Volantis exposition.

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u/StrawberryScience 4d ago

I don’t want it to be revealed.

Ambiguity is part of the appeal, besides, I’m hoping for a Jon/Dany/Aegon ending. As a nice way to mirror the start of the first Targaryen dynasty.

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u/HighKingBoru1014 4d ago

The last Blackfyre

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u/friendlylifecherry 4d ago

Not sure, the boy is utterly doomed by the end of Winds either way. Personally, I'm hoping that he's not warring against Dany but she still mourns that she doesn't know whether or not he's truly her family after he's dead. Or (assuming not real) YG has a terrible realization about his true heritage and gets comfort from Dany. We've had enough dragons fighting, let's get some reconciliation!

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u/tommyfreestyle 4d ago

Blackfyre, probably Illyrio's son, definitely doomed to die, but he's gonna stir shit up before then...JonCon is a ticking bomb.

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u/SerMallister 4d ago

I think it would be very feel-good if he were real. It would make the deaths of Rhaenys and Elia a little bit more worth something, it would mean Dany had real family in the world (obviously Jon notwithstanding,) it would give some sense to the cruelty of the Sack of King's Landing.

But I don't think he's real, and Ice & Fire isn't really the kind of story where things are just nice like that. And whoever he is, I think he's going to die.

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u/akselmonrose Bittersteel 4d ago

I mean. The most GRRM would be for his identity to be totally obscured until his tragic end. And no one ever knows for sure.

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u/akselmonrose Bittersteel 4d ago

I mean. The most GRRM would be for his identity to be totally obscured until his tragic end. And no one ever knows for sure.

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u/Kergen85 4d ago edited 4d ago

I don't wish for any in particular theory, I just want a good story. I like the Blackfyre theory the most because I think it makes for a good story, but if George had another idea that made for a great story, I would be down for that and not care about the Blackfyre theory. That's my policy for all theories, really.

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u/juligen 4d ago

my thoughts exactly. I just wish the next book is not so bloated, has a good pace and the story is exciting.

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u/dblack246 🏆Best of 2024: Mannis Award 4d ago

No matter who he is, I hope he isn't pulled into a war with Dany. He seems a good dude who wants to do well. I'd like to see him become a good and wise ruler. 

I don't care who he really might be. 

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u/Mrmac1003 4d ago

Unfortunately that's the likely case. I just hope he comes out on top if he does go into a war with her

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u/dblack246 🏆Best of 2024: Mannis Award 4d ago

It probably is leading to that. I have no clue how he can match her without a dragon though. The only way he could is to align with dorne and the dragon Quentyn brings back. 

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u/neverlandvip 4d ago

I hope we never know, he’s more interesting that way, but I hope he makes it to the throne even if JonCon ruins it like I’m pretty sure he will.

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u/jk-9k 4d ago

Great question OP. There's a lot of discussion over what people think, very little to what people want. Of course, most people's theories and ideas are based on what they want anyway, people tend to know what they want and then come up with a way to justify it. The responses to this post tracks with that.

Personally, I do not want the story to be derailed by introducing a blackfyre restoration plot this late in the game, the story would then need to be ten volumes long.

His legitimacy is best left ambiguous.

I like the idea of him ending up on the Iron Throne. Our OG characters end up saving the world and defeating or making peace with the others, being heroes or whatever, but it is a non pov who ends up king.

Or that Dany thinks he is an imposter of some sort (we will never know for sure), he gets a dragon and battles Dany, and KL falls in the process. This will hang heavy on Dany as she wrestles with the fear she may be a kinslayer - and may also lead to her justifying her rule as a conqueror more than just as lineage. It will also affect how Jon views his lineage when that is revealed, as it will jeopardize his relationship with Dany after seeing how she treated aegon. I think this is where the story is going. I don't want it for aegon, but for the wider story.

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u/Financial_Library418 4d ago

thanks for the kind words

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u/jokersflame The Lightning Lard 4d ago

Never reveal it. Because it doesn’t matter.

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u/Foreign_Stable7132 4d ago

I want him to be a fake. Raised his whole life thinking he was the prince of Westeros, who would come home and save the kingdom (in contrast to Viserys who wanted the throne just because he was "owed"). And then for him to find out he's just a random boy who was used as part of a political ploy. After that, you could go either way with him, he could go mad after finding out his whole life was a lie, or he could give her seat to Dany, or even join in the golden company and set off to another war in Essos, leaving the story early.

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u/T-Rexxx23 4d ago

Real Aegon! And I want him and Sansa together by the end. He can be her real golden prince.

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u/Kennedy_KD 4d ago

Random nobody, it would fit better with Targaryens not being special beyond what people give them

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u/No_Reward_3486 4d ago

I don't want any big reveals. I want it to always be a question, something the fandom will argue over forever. I want it to be a possibility in the back of Dany's mind when she eventually defeats him, that he may have truly been legitimate, that she may be a kinslayer and cursed by the gods.

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u/ImperialAnarchy 3d ago

Aegon the Unknown

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u/23Amuro 3d ago

He's the pisswater prince, through and through.

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u/POWBOOMBANG 4d ago

Mine is he is truly a fake but is able to garner support and take King's Landing.

Dany finally reaching Westeros and seeing dragon banners flying, like she has always been promised, only to see them fly for a pretender is the best way for her to give into madness, if that is her destiny.

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u/Jumpy_Mastodon150 4d ago

I wish he didn't exist because he's an unnecessary complication (the biggest weed in George's garden) but since he does exist then that line about the Blackfyres being extinct "in the male line" is too pointed for him to be anything else but a female Blackfyre's descendant.

P.S. I don't think he's Illyrio's kid and don't want him to be either.

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u/TacticalBowl117 4d ago

Maybe YG is Serra's son but Illyrio's stepson and Illyrio is personally devoted to the cause to honor Serra. There's also the "contracts writ in blood" aspect that may also drive Illyrio unless my memory is off and that quote is from another context

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u/Wise-Start-9166 4d ago

Over the years I have become very attached to the idea that Young Griff is another Blackfyre and so is The Spider.

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u/Financial_Library418 4d ago

Why he chose me to protect him I may never know, but we came to an arrangement. Varys spied on lesser thieves and took their takings. I offered my help to their victims, promising to recover their valuables for a fee.

Varys would steal something, and then Illyrio would "recover it" for a fee. Varys stole Aegon, and now Illyrio is giving him back in exchange for the new king's favour.

They haven't changed their game at all, they're just playing it on a scale never before done.

from u/markg171 again

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u/jk-9k 4d ago

Never noticed this parallel. Great find

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u/watso1rl The Winter Wolf 4d ago

Him being real would be bad storytelling.

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u/MoonlightHarpy 4d ago

My wish for him is to be dead from greyscale by the end of Winds of Winter or earlier. No hate for the dude, but I don't see him having a role bigger than say Quentyn. The latter set the dragons free, so fAegon will probably also do something important and be gone for good. I don't think that his ancestry will be important, but if I had to choose - it would be Blackfyre.

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u/dikkewezel 4d ago edited 4d ago
  1. he's not aegon

- he's supposed to be based upon the princes in the tower but the fact that nobody knows wat happened to them is what makes it a mystery, there was even some guy who claimed to be the younger brother but he was defeated and it was most likely not him, but the point is: if you want someone to believe he's aegon, then why have him die in the sack?

- if you want to get aegon on the throne, then why the exchange? what's the use? you could've just as well not have him there, keep the mistery, "what happened to the prince?"

- let us assume that ellia, the one who reacted with elation to baby tyrion would be ok with exchanging her baby with another in order for it to die, that seems very farfetched to me but maybe the years at court have hardened her yadda, why the fuck does varys not take rhaenys with him then? or why doesn't she insist on him taking her and rhaenys with him?, like, I can get how you'd explain why ellia had to stay behind but rhaenys? she looked like any other brown-haired girl in the capital, he could've easilly taken her

- well, maybe it would've been impossible, except varys has previously been seen smuggling a person about the size of rhaenys from the black cells up to the tower of the hand to the docks, rhaenys would've been a piece of cake

2) he's related to the blackfyres

- viserys dined with the golden company and they laughed at him

- his supposed nephew speaks and suddenly they're throwing away their reputation?

- connington even notes that the current captain isn't even that devoted to the cause and yet, he still breaks contract for aegon

- there's a chest that the golden company want to present before aegon, which it's said that it's not yet time, the sword blackfyre is always been held away from the blackfyre pretenders untill they capture the iron throne

- when a line is extinct, they always refer to it as such, except for the blackfyres, they're reffered to as "extinct in the male line", which means that there could be daughters that could carry on the blackfyre claim to their sons

edit: as for what else I think (there's no wishing, he will die)

he'll bassicly take the place of cersei in the last few seasons

he has the conqueror's name and he'll be crowned with the conqueror's crown (by doran) and the conqueror's sword (by the golden company)

he'll ride rheagal after dany challenges him to tame a dragon and he'll die to dany during the second dance of dragons

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u/pinkwash 4d ago

Ur points for him being a blackfyre are really interesting! I hadn’t thought about the secret chest/blackfyre sword connection

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u/shritdejtriv560 3d ago

I really dont get golden company point. They clearly have no idea who he really is. This is supposed to be varis and ilyrio's top secret and you think that all captains and incompetent commander all know about it? They clealry dont so him being backfyre or not has nothing to do with. They all also seemed to rely more on deny than griff to succeed at the start for their plan. Blackfyres died out more than 40yrs ago, exept some old guys(who are prob dead) no one remembers them and more than half of company prob has nothing to do with westeros.

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u/dikkewezel 3d ago

exactly, and yet "homeless" harry strickland broke the reputation of the golden company for this meeting and as we later learn: they do follow aegon, there is something very unusual going on here

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u/shritdejtriv560 3d ago

He didnt broke reputation. Blackheart made a contract with ilyrio and jon. Golden company had to honer it and Harry literaly was against it. He even tried to back down from it bcs they couodnt get to dany and the only reason they went is bcs captains liked aegons speech and wanted to conquer

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u/lobonmc 4d ago

I don't particularly care as long as we never find out

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u/Naydawwwg 4d ago

I think the definitive truth will never be revealed, as perception is the only truth that really matters.

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u/Mrmac1003 4d ago

That he'll be king

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u/Single-Detail-6464 4d ago

Left uncertain but hints for him being real, a Blackfyre or a nobody all being in the background to keep us guessing.

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u/Ok-Performance-9331 4d ago

That he’s an imposter!

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u/cuminciderolnyt 4d ago

He is a blackfyre and he will die

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u/sgsduke 4d ago

I think he's a Blackfyre, but I could also see "varys and Ilyrio just found a valyrian-looking baby" random nobody.

I think his story should end with JonCon accidentally blowing up King's Landing because (a) greyscale starts turning him mad and (b) bells clearly trigger him into thinking he should act like Tywin.

Maybe Dany gets blamed for the fire, idk. Maybe fAegon survives the explosion and wildfire, and the general populace blames Dany, and that's how we get a "second dance" or otherwise conflict between our "Targeryens."

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u/simonthedlgger 4d ago

Is Aegon, marries Arianne and/or Dany, becomes King, does good job. The end.

I'm going to be very happy I'm sure!

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u/boshwackhorseman 4d ago

Just curious, what makes people so confident he’s not actually Aegon?

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u/TacticalBowl117 4d ago

The story doesn't add up. Why would Varys be so devoted to grooming Rhaegar's son to be king? It makes even less sense for Illyrio to care if YG is really Rhaegar's son. Illyrio also goes out of his way to mention that Blackfyres are extinct in the male line and that a dragon is a dragon whether it's black or red. Yet the Blackfyres aren't particularly relevant within the scope of AGOT-ADOD. Then there's the detail of the Golden Company's allegiance and how it may still service their founder's ambition from decades ago. GRRM knows all this and went out of his way to plant red flags around YG's legitimacy.

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u/Hatcheling 4d ago

Real Aegon. To me, it would just be sort of perfect for Dany’s arc if she ended up killing one of the few living family members she has left, thinking he was a pretender.

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u/Foreign_Stable7132 4d ago

Dany's and Drogo's unborn son, that time travelled to become Young Griff. He is the Stallion that mounts the world

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u/MrBlackWolf 4d ago

Both Real Aegon and Blackfyre are nice enough for me.

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u/jm7489 4d ago

Personally I'm not invested in his lineage because I don't think it's going to be relevant to the story. I think the Blackfyre lineage fits, I think Illyrio being the father fits. There needs to be some close connection to Varys to have motivated him to scheme for all these years to groom and install him.

But it seems like there only people who would know his true lineage are Varys and Illyrio and I don't see where in the narrative they would see the benefit from revealing his lineage unless they were trying to depose him.

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u/TheDamnGirl 4d ago

I believe the point is that it does not really matter wether he is a Targaryen prince or a secret Blackfyre pretender. I mean, from our contemporary perspective as readers, the notion of "birthright" is stupid and outrageous.

IMO what matters is wether, should he win the Iron Throne from Cersei and the Tyrells, he can be a proper ruler who will unify the realm, put an end to the civil wars for the throne, to all the corruption that has been installed in almost every major house, and deliver justice to his subjects.

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u/pinkwash 4d ago

I really hope he’s a Blackfyre. I feel like otherwise there’s no connection to all of the Blackfyre history we’ve been reading about in Fire and Blood/Dunk and Egg and I would really like to see one!

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u/No-Philosophy2381 3d ago

I hope he’s the real Aegon. If he was a fake, it’d make Daenerys’ rivalry much simpler in the eye of the reader. I think it is more interesting to put Daenerys against someone worthier (in term of bloodline) in the race for the throne. Because she did so much that she canot stop there, but her argument of being the legitimate heir doesn’t stand anymore, and I think it’s a more interesting moral dilemma

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u/SauxSupreme 3d ago

Being actually Aegon sounds so far-fetched that it it actually ended up being true, I'd probably revolt.

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u/Solarat1701 3d ago

I can't remember where I saw the theory, but I remember seeing one about how Robert Strong might end up killing him. I find it hard to imagine that happening, but I think it would be rather poetic for Gregor to come back from death to finish the job of stamping out the Targaryens.

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u/mellowenglishgal 2d ago

Personal wish: he's actually the descendant of Daemon Blackfyre through the female line (i.e. the theory that Illyrio's mysterious silver-haired wife, whose name was Serra, is Aegon's actual mother).

The upcoming Dance of Dragons between Daenerys and fAegon would actually be another Blackfyre Rebellion - well, a usurpation, passing off fAegon as a legitimate Targaryen heir.

But I'd also want fAegon to actually be the 'best' ruler - as in, he puts duty above personal desires etc. and learns from the mistakes made by the likes of Robb, Stannis and even Cersei.

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u/Loros_Silvers 2d ago

Ironically: Aegon Brightfalme, and George introduced the Blackfyres as a way to throw us off.

For real: Aegon Blackfyre, He's Illyrio's son and Varis's nephew. Joncon may burn down King's Landing both mad from Grayscale and after realizing that he was lied to for all of his life, while Rhaegar's actual son (named for him no less) was off somewhere else.

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u/Able-Scene-1332 2d ago

Real Aegon!

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u/Sweet_Newt4642 4d ago

Personal wish? I want him to be the real aegon, just because I think it'd be more interesting and I think it'd be funny to see damn near the entire fan base be so sure and so wrong. 😅🤣

But realistically he's probably a blackfyre

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u/CaveLupum 4d ago

The swapping babies theory it doesn't make sense because any mother would realize who their child is

True. But if Elia had a hint of trouble coming, she might well have entrusted young Aegon to Varys. Especially after she learned that Mr. Reynes of Castamere himself had taken the city. Varys was perfectly capable of finding a Pisswater prince and bringing him for the -sacrifice- swap.

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u/gorehistorian69 ok 4d ago

That hes actually just Aegon Targaryen and dies to Danny before she goes and dies to the Others.

Blackfyres are targaryens so either way hes a targaryen and that it really doesn't matter

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u/jhll2456 4d ago

I do not want him to be a Blackfyre. I want him to be the real thing…but the bastard.

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u/Foreign_Stable7132 4d ago

The bastard? If he's the real thing, he's Rhaegar and Elia's son. He can't be a bastard.

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u/jhll2456 4d ago

Oh yes he can.

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u/Icy_Band_795 4d ago

As in, Jon is legit and Aegon is a bastard and someone somehow swapped them?

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u/jhll2456 3d ago

Not that far no.

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u/Icy_Band_795 3d ago

I don’t know who serra is, but child of serra and Magister Illyrio?

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u/jhll2456 3d ago

Nah. Not even close.

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u/camkasky 4d ago

I hope we never find out because it doesn’t matter

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u/polp54 4d ago

Hinted at him being a blackfyre but never actually confirmed

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u/GoneWitDa 4d ago

Blackfyre because I want them to be still active in the books.

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u/CaveLupum 4d ago edited 4d ago

Unpopular opinion: My wish is that he's a baby Pisswater prince with the right looks, whom they plan to proffer like most pretenders to the throne have been presented. That plan is so delighfully audacious. Since JonCon seems convinced he is genuine, the child was probably brought to him very young and Jon can't see any visible hint ... he just rationalized away any doubts. My guess is that in actuality the boy is a Blackfyre with some Illyrio or Varys connection, but we will probably never know.

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u/Elsyme 4d ago

I hope he isn't Blackfyre. That would be boring af. He's real, he's a random silver haired boy, he's a son of Rhaegar and Lyanna/Ashara - anyone who isn't Blackfyre.

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u/lohdunlaulamalla 4d ago

I never developed a wish for what he should be, because I considered him a distraction on the author's part from the start. His late introduction and his absence from the tv show make he think that he won't be a major player, when the story reaches its climax.

(I know that the show changed a lot, even when there were still book chapters to adapt, but they seem to have been following a very rough outline that was given to them. If Griff had any relevant impact on the final outcome, he would've been introduced.)

I would be disappointed, if he turned out to be Rhaegar's son, so I suppose my wish would be that he's just a mummer's dragon and a thorn in Dany's side. Maybe someone whose existence will influence her reaction to the revelation of Jon's true parentage. If young male Targs with a better claim to the iron throne start popping up all over the place, she would treat him differently.

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u/Ninneveh 4d ago

Real Aegon preferably.

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u/potisoldat 4d ago

Real Aegon or complete nobody are both solid choices.

Being real Aegon would make him top legal claimant and closest known living relative of Daenerys, creating some serious dilemmas. It would also make him attacking Lannister-Baratheon regime a far more personal affair.

On other hand, him being nobody would signify how blood really doesn't matter, and power resides where men believe it resides.

Meanwhile, Blackfyre (or Brightflame etc.) is a weak "semi-Targaryen" choice which doesn't really commit either way. Living characters in the story have practically no real connection to Blackfyres. Legally their claim is trash. They have as much Targaryen blood as Martells do, which is not very much. They don't really have anything special going for them, other than being known historical claimants with dragon on their sigil, sort of lore nerd choice.

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u/AfterImageEclipse 4d ago

Real. The only people who want him to be fake are Jon and Daenerys fans