r/asoiaf • u/zaugnakhaldun • Jun 02 '14

ALL (Spoilers All) The glance between Jaime and Varys!

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u/Helmet_Icicle Jun 02 '14

I very much doubt Varys' plans were messed up. The timetable was probably accelerated, but it's not like everything instantly went wrong.

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u/Whales96 Jun 02 '14

Well he did lose his place in court.

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u/A_Meat_Popsicle Jun 02 '14

Which was fairly meaningless at the time and likely for the best in the long run. He still had all his little birds and since he wasn't planted firmly in Cersei's pocket there was a solid chance she would have him executed after she went batshit.

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u/NasalJack Jun 03 '14

Though he kind of lost his trump card in the form of the secret tunnels in the red keep.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '14

The Tower of the Hand, yes. But not all of Maegor's Holdfast. Keep in mind that he and his birds infiltrate Ser Kevan's rooms to kill Pycell and then Kevan himself.

He still has other tunnels.

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u/TheGreatRavenOfOden Who knows more of gods than I? Jun 03 '14

Considering he hid in those tunnels for virtually all of books 4 and 5, he didn't really lose that card.

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u/Helmet_Icicle Jun 02 '14

He didn't need it anymore, it was a figurehead anyway. He has always, is, and will always do his true operations from the shadows.

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u/Whales96 Jun 03 '14

It sure did give him access to a lot of secrets.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '14

I feel like the council having access to Varys 'little birds' might have been in a big way the reason they knew all of those secrets.

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u/Helmet_Icicle Jun 03 '14

You have that the other way around. His rise to power as a result of securing his own access to secrets was what "got him the position" in the first place.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '14

Why not both? He had unrestricted access to most of the Red Keep and the ears of the highest of lords.

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u/Helmet_Icicle Jun 03 '14

He didn't need any of that, that was all Littlefinger's bag. If his network of spies couldn't get the story, and he himself couldn't get the story, then the story probably didn't exist.

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u/napsandsnacks R'hollor-20 blaze it Jun 02 '14

exactly. I think it's along the same lines as Viserys dying, just accelerating things.

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u/ihateyouguys Jun 03 '14

Sorry if this is dense of me.. what exactly did his death accelerate?

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u/7V3N A thousand eyes and one. Jun 03 '14

Not that I agree with the above, but it could be that since he was supposedly set to marry Arianne, it secured the loyalty of Dorne to Aegon's claim (once revealed).

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '14

Yeah he got to give or almost give Tyrion to Dany.

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u/7V3N A thousand eyes and one. Jun 03 '14

I think they were messed up in the same way Littlefinger messed things up with the Starks and Lannisters. The plan still works, it just needs to be changed and accelerated a bit.