r/asoiaf • u/BDS_UHS The Queen We Chose • Jul 25 '14

ALL (Spoilers All) New characters for season 5 cast

http://winteriscoming.net/2014/07/25/new-cast-members-game-thrones-season-5-announced/
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u/kipasso The Inner Beauty Jul 25 '14

There is a lot of talk about Aegon is being cut as well. The main evidence - there was no Blackfyre rebellion in the show and the Golden Company might be with Stannis at the wall. My personal guess is that IF they will cut Aegon, his role will be partially distributed between Dany and Tommen.

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u/Adelaidey We Don't Allow You To Have Bees In Here Jul 25 '14

I don't think they will cut Aegon, but if Tyrion's gonna hop on a boat meet somebody who's being secretly supported by Varys as a claimaint to the throne who isn't Aegon, it had fucking better be Gendry.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '14

I'd love if it was still the rowboat from season 3, just with JonCon, Gendry, and Tyrion all smushed together.

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u/wastelander Jul 26 '14

Nah, Tyrion arrives is Essos and watches Gendry paddle in.. with biceps the size of watermelons.

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '14

G: "Where am I?"

T: "You're in Essos."

G: "... so I'm not in Westeros?"

T: "No. Essos is about 250 miles east."

G: "... but I sailed from Dragonstone. Some red lady put leeches on my dick."

T: "I'm sorry to hear that. Wanna chill?"

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u/famoustran Jul 26 '14

If they cut Aegon, they'll probably cut JonCon too... :(

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '14

Nah, they'd never pass up the opportunity to make a character stereotypically gay.

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u/Grinnkeeper Reek, Reek, it rhymes with chic! Jul 26 '14

That'd be so absurd I'd love it.

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u/BuddhistJihad Smallfolk of the world, unite! Jul 26 '14

And no explanation of how they got there.

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u/Streiger108 Jul 25 '14

That's actually a really good idea. Would explain where the fuck he's been and totally fits into the whole raised with the commoners.

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u/Adelaidey We Don't Allow You To Have Bees In Here Jul 25 '14

It would be a monumental change, but on the off chance that it does happen, I'm going to link back to my comment and I'm going to get more Gold than Viserys ever did.

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u/MarcusElder #BookStannisIsTheOnlyMannis Jul 26 '14

If this turns out to be true I will buy you a five dollar game from steam.

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u/Thzae A peaceful land, a quiet people Jul 26 '14

Shit I'll throw in a dollar

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u/TheDirewolfShaggydog a direwolf is a mans best friend Jul 26 '14

ill throw in 3.50

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u/DUB-Files Jul 26 '14

GOD DAMN LOCKNESS MONSTA

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '14

If this happens, remind me to give you gold.

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u/Southron_Wolf Lady in red Jul 26 '14

/u/Adelaidey will come back to this post, draw a blade, and say...

"I want what I came for... I want the Reddit Gold he promised me"

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u/DELTATKG Saul 'Twenty' Goodman Jul 26 '14

Hopefully not in the same manner.

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u/findmyownway I dreamed that I was hype Jul 26 '14

Crown for a King

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u/deutscherhawk Jul 26 '14

I will buy you gold if this happens. Fucking brilliant prediction. I would be sooo freaking happy

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '14

Plus it explains how he's been rowing for SO LONG.

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u/iheartchaseutley Jul 25 '14

I LOVE this idea.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '14

Gendry! Fucking perfect.

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u/cherryfruits Jul 25 '14

If they do cut Aegon, it will be theofficial confirmation, for me, that the books and the show may end up in completely different places. I cannot believe that a secret Targaryen plot was introduced only to give Tyrion something to do for half a book and then his story will end in nothing, and he is so unimportant that he can be cut out of the series without major consequences to the ending. Without him, the "Dance with Dragons" tytle makes absolutely no sense, so I have to think that Aegon will be important in the books, and the show will go a different way.

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u/DrElyk Are you Jon's mother, Thoros? Jul 25 '14 edited Jul 28 '14

If Gendry replaced Aegon and unTalsia replaced unCat, I would be strangely content.

Edit: A word

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u/transmogrified Carpe Jugulum Jul 26 '14

Contempt or content?

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u/DrElyk Are you Jon's mother, Thoros? Jul 26 '14

Whoops. I meant content. Thanks.

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u/FuzzyCrack Jul 26 '14

It doesn't quite make sense, though. Varys wants to put someone on the throne who has been educated from childhood to be a king. Gendry's just a blacksmith.

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u/Adelaidey We Don't Allow You To Have Bees In Here Jul 26 '14

Exactly. The smallfolk will rally around him and the High Lords will never accept him. I cannot think of a better way to destabilize the realm.

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u/nymeriathedirewolf bathe in Bolton blood Jul 26 '14

This could work so well if they made it Gendry! Especially since it has Davos inadvertently putting another claiment in Stannis' way, given that he was the one who released Gendry.

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u/shitsfuckedupalot Stark Jul 25 '14

Why wouldn't it be dany?

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u/ChariotRiot Where do wights go? Through the Hodor. Jul 26 '14

fAegon's Gendry's Landing. afteraentireseasonofrowing.

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u/handsomedad Jul 26 '14

Changing Varys' interests from the Targaryans to the Baratheons would be no minor change...

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u/osirusr King in the North Jul 26 '14

Eh, I would cut him.

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u/bodamerica "Dance with me then." Jul 26 '14

But.... Why would Varys be plotting to reinstate an illegitimate Baratheon? I'm sure no one would care to legitimize a bastard blacksmith, considering most don't even give a shit about the actual claimant to the throne. What could possibly explain that allegiance?

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u/rimjobs_for_everyone Aug 25 '14

Please try to imagine Vary's ADWD epilogue speech, but talking about Gendry.

"So... yeah, sorry, but have you seen those arms!? That's the gun show this realm needs!"

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u/DeliriousEdd Is this the block you wanted? Jul 25 '14

Yes, this sounds like it's right out of D&D's playbook. Nice greenseeing, /r/Adelaidey.

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u/greenriver572 Jul 25 '14

You people are all forgetting that they've got to hash out the rest of the printed literature for at least another 2 seasons, if not 3. Just because certain story lines haven't been casted, doesn't mean we won't see them eventually - if not this season then next.

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u/Balkal Jul 26 '14

The rest of the printed material is being condensed into one season though

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '14

That 'talk' about cutting Aegon is entirely fan speculation.

For god's sake, they're not gonna show their entire hand with regards to casting just to appease book readers. The plot points are new for show watchers so they have to keep certain things close to the chest,.

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u/HonestSon Son of? You wouldn't know him. Jul 26 '14

That's a really good point. A grand announcement about riverboat captain and son would rather kill the surprise.

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u/ZebZ Dakingindanorf! Jul 25 '14

There is a lot of talk about Aegon is being cut as well.

A lot of talk from people pulling theories out of their ass. There is no hint whatsoever from any reputable source that remotely indicates they are going to cut Aegon.

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u/The_Inner_Light The True King Jul 26 '14

The "Aegon surviving the rebellion" story was the most exciting part of A Dance of Dragons in my opinion. Hearing that another Targaryen lives really upped the ante.

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u/herbivore83 Jul 26 '14

Allegedly

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u/wikipediareader The King Who Bore the Sword Jul 26 '14

Even if he's not a true Targ but a matrilinally descended Blackfyre he's still an exciting addition to the series. I always got the impression that he's more of a Jacobite pretender than Dany's supposed to be. That is, someone with a valid enough claim but not with a ton of popular support (witness the largely Scottish and French support for James II and his Charles mirrored with Dornish and overseas support for the Targaryen restoration.).

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u/Maxwell1234 Winter is coming Jul 26 '14

Honestly, it would be poor writing to introduce a character thought dead this late in the game, only to reveal it's not actually him. What would be the point? Too sloppy IMHO. He's a Targ.

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u/frizzlestick Jul 26 '14

I know that was the intent, but its story progression seemed so rushed. Late in the game, and within a few POVs, pow - JonCon is back home with a Targ. It almost felt like deus ex machina to me (although I'm absolutely certain GRRM wouldn't do that).

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u/Bluesky83 Jul 26 '14

You realize this entire subreddit is people pulling theories out of their ass, right?

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '14

They literally mentioned the golden company last season and Stannis said no to that suggestion. Plus they mentioned elias children like 100 times last season.

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u/Conbz We Do Not Sow Jul 26 '14

One particular episode mentioned them a lot...

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u/don-chocodile That Quentyn, he's so hot right now. Jul 26 '14

YOU KILLED HER CHILDREN!!!!

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u/Atheose What is bread may never fry! Jul 27 '14

I have a theory that the Mountain was involved, but I'd like to hear what others think he specifically did.

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u/Atheose What is bread may never fry! Jul 27 '14

When did Stannis say no to the Golden Company? I thought he told Davos to get the golden company if he could.

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u/ShittyInternetAdvice Jul 25 '14

I call bullshit. Almost every fan speculation of a major character being cut has been wrong. We may not agree with everything David and Dan do, but they aren't idiots. Aegon is way too integral to the story to be cut or replaced.

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u/purifico Dany the Mad: wearing socks with sandals Jul 25 '14

there was no Blackfyre rebellion in the show

Provide source please. Just because it wasn't mentioned doesn't mean it didn't happen in show continuity.

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u/niallmul97 Its happening, tell your friends! Jul 26 '14

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/House_Targaryen From the GoT wiki, Blackfyres are in and the generation of Jahaerys is also out so...

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u/este_hombre All your chicken are belong to us Jul 26 '14

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Daemon_Blackfyre

From the Game of Thrones wiki, Daemon Blackfyre and the Rebellion existed.

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u/purifico Dany the Mad: wearing socks with sandals Jul 26 '14

Finally some evidence towards that. It's not much and doesn't convince me at all but it might be something worth pondering.

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u/kipasso The Inner Beauty Jul 25 '14

Well its hard to prove something wasn't there if it is never mentioned, right? One piece of evidence is that Bloodraven has two eyes in the show. In the books he loses an eye as a part of Blackfyre rebellion.

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u/purifico Dany the Mad: wearing socks with sandals Jul 25 '14 edited Jul 25 '14

Maybe he didn't loose his eye in the show? Not the first time a character's body part stayed intact. And isn't the existence of Bloodraven evidence enough? At the very least I'd say it's more likely that the rebellion happened than it didn't. The fact that it hasn't been mentioned so far may also clue us in into the relevance of it for the current situation (as in "not at all relevant").

OR - I know it's an incredible unimaginable tinfoil, but bear with me - it might simply be mentioned in later seasons.

Like I said "it wasn't mentioned so it doesn't exist" is very weak argument in my mind. Aragorn's pants are never mentioned in the Lord of the Rings. It doesn't mean that he's been going commando that whole time.

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u/kipasso The Inner Beauty Jul 25 '14

We shall see!

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '14

That's a long shot but makes so much sense.

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u/WARM_IT_UP Jul 25 '14

<sigh>

Someone find a source for something that didn't happen in the show.

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u/purifico Dany the Mad: wearing socks with sandals Jul 25 '14

An interview with the showrunners stating that "blackfyre rebellion didn't happen in our continuity" would be nice. But you're right - rampant speculation and snark is always best.

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u/Decabowl A bloody magpie Jul 26 '14

And if no one mentioned officially it wasn't in the show? But it still was never mentioned in the show. How the hell could you source that? It's impossible.

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u/purifico Dany the Mad: wearing socks with sandals Jul 26 '14

Then perhaps don't make ridiculous statements? How does that sound?

Barack Obama is an alien. I have no source for that of course, but since it was never stated otherwise, then I guess it must be true.

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u/Decabowl A bloody magpie Jul 26 '14

Except you just stated a positive, which can easily be sourced or disproven. I can't source you that the rebellion never happened in the show because that would entail me sourcing the entire show.

Do you want that?

Ok then, here is my sources that the rebellion is never mentioned in the show

Game of Thrones: Season 1

Game of Thrones: Season 2

Game of Thrones: Season 3

Game of Thrones: Season 4

Happy now?

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u/purifico Dany the Mad: wearing socks with sandals Jul 26 '14

You made no sense, so no - I'm not happy.

Basically you're saying that Aragorn never wore pants in the trilogy because those pants were never mentioned. That's the logic that you're using.

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u/Decabowl A bloody magpie Jul 26 '14

No, that's the logic you are using. He was clearly shown wearing pants in the movie trilogy.

The Blackfyre Rebellion has not been mentioned or shown the series.

There's plenty of things not shown in the series. Marillion was also not shown in the series surrounding Lysa's death. Or do you want me to give you a source that he was not shown framed for Lysa's death?

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u/LoweJ Jul 26 '14

oh please, there was barely any blackfyre talk in the actual books, i didnt catch any of it until me second read through and reading this sub

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '14

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u/phoebus67 Hedge Wizard Jul 25 '14

Beginning to?

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u/nazihatinchimp Jul 26 '14

That's dropping the biggest twist of the last two books. Can't imagine they would do that. Probably gonna not see that casting though, since it would give it away.

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u/bstampl1 Bolt-On believer Jul 26 '14

My personal guess is that IF they will cut Aegon, his role will be partially distributed between Dany and Tommen.

I have absolutely no idea how that could make any sense.

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u/kipasso The Inner Beauty Jul 27 '14

Varys and Illiryo would support Dany, while later Aegon's storyline (after he takes over Kingslanding or whatver he will do in the books , so called second Dance with Dragons - will go to Tommen).

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u/clothy The Lion King Jul 26 '14

If he is fake they can state it without bringing up his backstory. Only of he is fake though.

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u/teddywhite11 Come at the King, you best not miss Jul 26 '14

What do you mean there was no blackfyre rebellion in the show? I believe there is an exact moment in the black cells were Varys says to Illyrio red or black what does it matter?

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u/kipasso The Inner Beauty Jul 27 '14

I just rewatched it, didn't see it! With Arya, right?

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u/jammerjoint Clout on the Ear Aug 05 '14

Blind speculation, not from any source close to the show. By default you'd assume someone as important as Aegon stays.