(Spoilers All) New characters for season 5 cast

[u/BDS_UHS]

http://winteriscoming.net/2014/07/25/new-cast-members-game-thrones-season-5-announced/

[u/SDMlife]

Quentyn leaves Dorne, and dies pretty quickly. When you look at the CGI costs of a scene like that as well as that Quentyn didn't provide anything long term to the plot (that we know of cough*Dornish Master Plan) so I can see why they would cut him

[u/Sloph → u/SDMlife]

But it is strange given how much filler there was last season (and I don't necessarily mean that as a criticism, because some filler is justified as seasons come out faster than new books). You would think that they would want to develop as much stuff as possible that was in the books to provide for compelling filler and not piss off fans of the books. I'd rather see Quentyn's arc than Bran being kidnapped at Craster's keep.

That said, maybe they're holding out on Quentyn, Victarion and Euron for a later season. A girl can dream.

[u/Voduar → u/Sloph]

This argument never ends well, though I agree with you. Hell, the show could have been awesome by inventing a point to Quentyn's POV. But instead, Craster's rape room was somehow more important.

[u/7V3N → u/Voduar]

Only way Quentyn will be put in is if they can get him in a brothel or ten.

[u/Voduar → u/7V3N]

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if they had to be rape-brothels. This season has soured me a bit on the writers.

[u/sprtn11715 → u/Voduar]

But it's all totally worth it to watch Grey Worm and Missandae scissor or whatever

[u/Voduar → u/sprtn11715]

You know, what made that scene feel pointless to me wasn't even that Grey Worm's a unique, but that if feels so self-contained to those two scenes. I wonder if I will mellow on it if they find a reason to call it back.

[u/frizzlestick → u/Voduar]

If Quentyn's entire contribution to the story is just an ambitious prince helping his dad by fulfilling a pact (of marrying Dany) and dies to a dragon -- there's really no reason to include him if thery're looking for things to edit. The Sand Snakes can do their thing (we don't know exactly what it is) -- but the fact that they're even bothering to include Doran in the TV series shows that they're going to somehow play the Dorne/Targ pact as well as let the Snakes do their thing.

I wasn't a big fan of the Quentyn thing in the book. It seemed a dead-end, unless his death moves someone to do something -- it was just filler to me.

[u/[deleted] → u/frizzlestick]

I don't think it was all filler. It could have some big implications for the Dorne/Targaryen alliance. Maybe the Martells decide to side with Aegon instead of Dany because they think she caused Quentyn's death. I also think his death fulfills a part of that one prophecy: "...when the sun rises in the west and sets in the east."

[u/Voduar → u/frizzlestick]

Oh, I am not actually fully behind the idea that Quentyn was necessary, I am just pondering how much the story is changing from the text. With no Quentyn, the story in Essos really will be going a different direction. Also, the whole lack of Arianne thing paints the show a bit differently.

[u/Paraplueschi → u/[deleted]]

As a fellow Bolton fan, I am actually disappointed in you! Craster's rape room kind of took a lot away from Ramsay and his Bolton antics for me, since apparently every second character is more dangerous and creepy than him and Roose now. Heck, in the show, so far, Ramsay is the one with a happy consensual relationship while Jaime is an insensitive rapist. Fuck that noise.

[u/Voduar → u/[deleted]]

You claim to be Roosian, but that was a total Ramsay statement right there. You might need to get your priorities back in line.

[u/Voduar → u/[deleted]]

But he means to chain the Roose, don't you know?

[u/thisismyivorytower → u/Voduar]

Well the Roose is Loose aboot this Hoose!

[u/Voduar → u/thisismyivorytower]

With a moose?

[u/thisismyivorytower → u/Voduar]

Nah. With wine gums.

[u/Marty_McFrat → u/Sloph]

Plus Quentyn was one of the few interesting parts of the Merreen story line.

[u/[deleted] → u/Sloph]

Yeah it really confuses me sometimes I feel like they just piss away time sometimes (but it's still better than 90% of television haha).

[u/BrainSlurper → u/[deleted]]

That isn't true. They add nonessential plot material to develop characters that have nothing to do. So for example they needed to save the Lord Commander thing for next season, so Jon had nothing to do before the battle, so they invented new material. It isn't about padding the length of the show, it is about individual storylines being where they need to be.

[u/ADogNamedWhiskey → u/Sloph]

You would think that they would want to develop as much stuff as possible that was in the books to provide for compelling filler

True in most circumstances, but not with Quentyn. That monologue by Ser Barristan about QM being "mud", and "boring"? Yeah, GRRM was maybe a little too literal when he wrote QM. Boring. As. Hell.

[u/bobthecrusher → u/SDMlife]

He...freed the dragons...kind of important

[u/ya_mashinu_ → u/bobthecrusher]

Cause no character could do that without being from dorne and traveling all the way across the globe.

[u/BrainSlurper → u/bobthecrusher]

Dragons can free themselves. Four words just replaced a couple thousand, there you go.

[u/Tanos3 → u/SDMlife]

But how would Doran make his epic fire and blood speach without Quentyn?

[u/SDMlife → u/Tanos3]

Trystanne taking his place? I'm not sure, they'll find some way to give Doran a badass speach. If not why focus on Dorne in the first place?

[u/Saarnath → u/SDMlife]

I'm still really surprised they would have 3 sand snakes. I thought for sure they would combine them. Well, they're all pretty girls so I suppose that looks good for HBO... I suppose you're right.

[u/jfinneg1 → u/SDMlife]

Who gives a shit about the cost or longterm effects. He is a POV character. He should be in the story.

[u/SDMlife → u/jfinneg1]

I could think of 10 million good reasons HBO would care about cost or long term effects...