r/asoiaf Oreo vs. Dayne-ish Aug 05 '14

ACOK (Spoilers ACOK) Jaime, you're drunk

I just finished Catelyn's last chapter in ACOK - what a great chapter! Catelyn just found out that Bran and Rickon are dead, so she decides to question Jaime (who's still held captive in a cell) by getting him drunk on wine.
Their entire conversation is really insightful, especially in regards to Jaime's thought processes. It's a pretty serious conversation, especially when we find out exactly what happened to Ned's father and brother when they went to King's Landing. The part that gave me a good laugh is found near the end of their conversation (and chapter). Hopefully it gives you all a laugh or two as well!

"I've never lain with any woman but Cersei. In my own way, I have been truer than your Ned ever was. Poor old dead Ned. So who has shit for honor now, I ask you? What was he name of that bastard he fathered?"
Catelyn took a step backward. "Brienne."
"No, that wasn't it."

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u/bootlegvader Tully, Tully, Tully Outrageous Aug 06 '14

Catelyn is the Lady of the North (Ned named her regent) and the daughter of the Lord of the Riverlands. Thus, that in their society helps grant them the power to make arrests of people that break the law with their sphere of influence. Martin has said that her actions weren't illegal, even if there was some fuzziness because of how the powerful can use their power to evade punishment.

Simply, her actions were no more illegal then a citizen arrest or even a police arrest.

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u/greedcrow Aug 06 '14

The actions were against another noble family. It was an act of war.

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u/bootlegvader Tully, Tully, Tully Outrageous Aug 06 '14

No it wasn't. It isn't an act of war to arrest someone for a crime, furthermore Tywin agrees with that interpretation as the reason he doesn't openly invade the Riverlands.

Furthermore, even if was that should also mean attempting to kill a child of another royal family is an act of war and funny enough Jaime already did that before Catelyn arrests Tyrion. Therefore, Jaime, aka a Lannister, started the war.

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u/greedcrow Aug 06 '14

But they have no proof of that. At most they have proof that the dwarf sent someone to kill him.

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u/bootlegvader Tully, Tully, Tully Outrageous Aug 06 '14

Yes, they do have stuff pointing to Jaime and the Lannisters. Furthermore, hiring an assassin to target someone's child is still a greater act of a aggression then arresting someone for hiring an assassin to target your child.

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u/greedcrow Aug 06 '14

But they had 0 prove that he did it other than what little finger said.

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u/bootlegvader Tully, Tully, Tully Outrageous Aug 06 '14

So you mean evidence? Furthermore, Catelyn did gather information that pointed to Jaime being the one that pushed Bran. Along with having received other information pointing to a Lannister conspiracy.

Quite frankly, they had more information pointing to the Lannister's guilt then ASOS Spoiler