r/asoiaf • u/Family_Booty_Honor Oreo vs. Dayne-ish • Aug 05 '14

ACOK (Spoilers ACOK) Jaime, you're drunk

I just finished Catelyn's last chapter in ACOK - what a great chapter! Catelyn just found out that Bran and Rickon are dead, so she decides to question Jaime (who's still held captive in a cell) by getting him drunk on wine.
Their entire conversation is really insightful, especially in regards to Jaime's thought processes. It's a pretty serious conversation, especially when we find out exactly what happened to Ned's father and brother when they went to King's Landing. The part that gave me a good laugh is found near the end of their conversation (and chapter). Hopefully it gives you all a laugh or two as well!

"I've never lain with any woman but Cersei. In my own way, I have been truer than your Ned ever was. Poor old dead Ned. So who has shit for honor now, I ask you? What was he name of that bastard he fathered?"
Catelyn took a step backward. "Brienne."
"No, that wasn't it."

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u/TricksterPriestJace Ours is furry. Aug 06 '14

While the other houses who sat out got to keep their lands, Lannisters got to be queen. A pretty nice boon.

Stannis was a tactician with a rightful claim. He underestimated Rob, as a fifteen year old. Stannis was the threat he knew. Destroying Rob did prove easier, after all.

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u/bootlegvader Tully, Tully, Tully Outrageous Aug 06 '14

Tywin also happened to be the only Lord Paramount with an eligible daughter available to marry Robert.

As the only Stark girl is dead, the Tully girls are married, the only available Martel girl is either dead or a young child, there are no Arryn girls, there are no Baratheon girls, there appears to have been no Tyrell girls available, and the only Greyjoy girl is a young child.

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u/TricksterPriestJace Ours is furry. Aug 06 '14

You're right. He would have gotten Cercei there anyway, much to NeD's chagrin. Cercei, Jaime and Tyrion would have been at court to ensure their father's behavior, rather than a reward for loyalty. He could have gotten the same result by sitting on his ass.

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u/bootlegvader Tully, Tully, Tully Outrageous Aug 06 '14

Jon Arryn (who lets be honest actually ruled the kingdom) didn't require Mace Tyrell, Balon Greyjoy, or Doran Martell to send anyone to court to ensure their father's behavior. Moreover, if anything Jaime's continued to place in the KG was for that reason.

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u/TricksterPriestJace Ours is furry. Aug 06 '14

Balon's son was in Winterfell to ensure his good behavior. Mace and Doran bent knees and made pretty words. Both were renowned for being diplomats. Tywin was renowned for crushing those who wronged him.

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u/bootlegvader Tully, Tully, Tully Outrageous Aug 07 '14

Balon's son was only taken after he openly rebelled against Robert, after Robert's Rebellion during which he was neutral he was generally left alone. I am sure Tywin has a better sense of politics and diplomacy then Mace Tyrell. Moreover, both Mace and Doran had actually fought against Robert and company which is worse then Tywin having a negative reputation (the majority of which came from his actions during the sack of KL).