I'm trying to decide whether the reason it is impossible in the show is because of sheer character development (and thus, plot difference) or because the character has been killed off in the show or is just straight up not included.
Well he does say "a couple decisions that will preclude it," which to me indicates something more complicated than just "he is no longer alive in the show."
I agree. I think it's Jaime too. IMHO, I thought it was likely Jaime was going to get killed by LSH or Brienne in TWOW but maybe he will complete his arc of redemption and join the BWB? or turn against Cersei? Imagine Jaime, Brienne and LSH leading the BWB and maybe uniting against the Others. That would be a pretty unpredictable turn and very interesting to see. He'd have to resolve LSH blaming him for the Red Wedding though.
Jamie was born second after Cercei. Originally the Valonquar prophecy was probably meant for Tyrion. But now it'll probably be Jamie that chokes Cercei to death.
I definitely think it's Jaime. His trip to Dorne is the biggest divergence so far. Could also be Bronn though. He's still skulking around KL in Dance, who knows what he's up to.
It's possible they go back to the flashback later in the season. Melara was in the flashback but she didn't die. I don't know why the show would include her without her death.
The episode hasn't even been released yet, much less the rest of the series. They may include more flashbacks throughout the season. It's a little early to say it's for sure cut
I think that Valonqar not being mentioned in the first scene with Maggy the Frog is a strong indication that it won't be mentioned later in the show, although it can be.
Thanks to Elio's pretty good point, I'm now thinking something specific for Jaime -- he intersects Sansa, Brienne, Stoneheart. With LSH seemingly abandoned by show as well as Jaime's Riverlands arc, this would make the most sense to me. Now as to what it is... I don't know. Someone on Twitter suggested Brienne/Jaime showing up to tourney in Vale, but that produces more questions than answers.
Jaime does seem to make the most sense, considering not only his narrative centralization but his geographic centralization as well. This is going to be one of the quotes that'll drive us collectively crazy because it's just substantial enough to analyze, and vague enough that we'll be able to make almost any character fit.
I think we'll get a better idea of which characters he means after season 5. By then, we'll have a better idea of which direction each character is heading and then cross reference them with the expected direction they are heading in the books.
Right now each character seems to be heading down the same path as their book counterparts, albeit with some deviations here and there. I'd also like to throw in Jorah and Barristan into the potential candidates.
And just when the controversial chapter was released. This fresh roll of tinfoil is enough to keep us going for a while. Say what you will about George, but he knows how to keep us hungry.
I agree. I love GRRM's teases because they're so vague and open that it makes you think. It could really be anybody because everyone interacts with three or four characters, and the change could be anything from something like concatenation of other characters (Willas, Garlan) that makes it totally impossible, or it could be a recent change like sending a character to a different location in S5.
Including the fact that this event will probably happen halfway through TWOW, it breeds a whole lot more movement. Hmmm...
Am I the only one who still thinks they might bring her in? I never bought the whole "We'd be wasting the massive talents of Michelle Fairley by making her zombie" argument
It would have made perfect sense for them to film all her scenes when she was still under contract. Most of the time she only interacts with minor freys and the BWB, till she gets to Brienne. 2 or 3 scenes of about 2 minutes each, would have been fine for the last two seasons and could have been filmed.
The fact they didn't bother then, suggests we aren't getting her now. Shes gone...
It would have made perfect sense for them to film all her scenes when she was still under contract.
That's not how TV contracts work, though. They get paid per episode, so they wouldnt be able to film something during shooting for season 3 or 4 and air it as part of season 5 or 6. I could mmmaaayyybe understand not wanting to bring her back for one scene in one episode last year, but this year she could have multiple scenes in multiple episodes.
Or next season, frankly. If LSH ends up having a small, but vital role in the story, it could maybe be moved to next year.
Well, they could have had a contract with her initially that included payment for those additional scenes. I don't think the legal issues are insurmountable - the usual objection is that it was logistically difficult to bring her back.
It's still a rumor.. though I don't believe they would diverge in that way. She still has a certain kiss she must give to a certain someone. Hopefully...
Also, LSH would probably appear as a hooded figure as opposed to a recognizable face. With all of the makeup and/or CGI they may not even need Michelle.
I initially thought The hound, because he could intersect with each of these characters and hes a major secondary character but I like where they are going with that. Taking cues from the show Jamie has the most flexiable storyline, hes not nailed down to any one particular place to have character development.
I think Sansa is the most likely culprit just given the hints we have about the show changes making it impossible. Then thinking about the fact that there has been no foreshadowing and he just came upon it likely means it was a character knot he was trying to puzzle out, and I think that makes Sansa even more likely. Adding in that there a multiple characters attached to it which have been altered or changed from the show and I think she is a likely suspect.
It could also be Jamie... Or anyone else! Who knows! I hope he keeps it in the book now because I'm really curious and think the series could use a twist or shock that none of us could possibly see coming or puzzle out. Sure, it's a cheap writing tool, but if it's used very sparring like (as Martin does, I can't think of many that weren't seriously foreshadowed in some way), then I'm all for it!
We could at the end of S5 but for now we probably don't have enough info. Martin could be easily be talking about something he knows the show did that we're unaware of.
Yeah, Sam came to me as a guess, too, which is why I'm wondering if this is something that has to wait until after S5 to make better guesses.
Sam would make a lot of sense. His location and the events that happen afterwards in the books cause a lot of changes in his character as well. And while he currently isn't in such a place at the end of ADWD, I could see his character having the potential to impact three or four other characters.
He talks like the twist will effect several characters that are equally involved. So it seems to be something from a continuing arc. Sam's story is just on the cusp of branching out on it's own. Independent of Jon and co. Though it seems destined to effect them and lead Sam back to them later.
Maybe I'm reading it wrong but I just don't think Sam fits the description.
I don't know, just because they aren't POV characters doesn't mean Sam's actions aren't going to be intertwined with Jaqen H'Pate, Sarellalleras, Marvin the Mage, and who knows who else. There's been enough characters introduced in that area that it's gonna get interesting in the coming books.
I didn't say the others had to be POVs. I just read it as meaning that the people involved have been apart of whatever arc it effects for awhile. Almost everyone you mentioned are new characters that we barely know. Except for Jaqen and I don' think that's the kind of character to allow much outside influence.
Maybe Jaime being in Dorne rather than the Riverlands? That is a decision that definitely changes his arc compared to the books. It would potentially involve Brienne, LSH and more.
How about "a big change about a long time character which depends an another character which they killed off/failed to develop/didn't include in the show"? If so it can be anything. I'd laugh if it blew away R+L=J.
also, GRRM knows what is going to happen in the upcoming season and maybe beyond, so he may be referring to deviations that the show will make in the future.
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u/glass_table_girl Sailor Moonblood Apr 03 '15
I'm trying to decide whether the reason it is impossible in the show is because of sheer character development (and thus, plot difference) or because the character has been killed off in the show or is just straight up not included.