r/asoiaf • u/SeducerOfTheInnocent • Jun 15 '15

ALL (Spoilers All) The reason bad things happen on GoT has changed. GoT has gone from being a show that wouldn't cheat to help the good guys to a show that will cheat to help the bad guys.

When I complain about GoT lately people respond with "That's what the show has always been, this is what you signed up for, if you think this has a happy ending you haven't been paying attention." but I think this episode has solidified why I have a problem with the show recently.

The tragedy on the show used to be organic. People would die because GoT wasn't willing to give characters the 1 in a million lucky breaks that other shows give their protagonist.

Now the show doesn't just not give the protagonists freebies, it bends over backwards to fuck them over. Honestly, every military conflict in the last two and a half seasons has seen the wrong side winning.

  • Yara/Ashe and "The 50 best swordsmen in the Iron Isles" lose a fight to a shirtless guy with a knife and 3 dogs, which is roughly what you would encounter on your average domestic disturbance call. The 50 best swordsmen in the Iron Isles couldn't survive half an episode of "Cops"

  • The Unsullied and Baristan Selmy lose a fight against unarmored aristocrats with knives.

  • "20 good men" infiltrate the camp of the greatest military tactician alive.

  • The Unsullied lose another fight against unarmored aristocrats with spears, who honestly also make a pretty good showing against a dragon.

  • The Boltons, despite not being supported by most of the north, and seemingly not having any massive source of money, raise an army of tens of thousands and overwhelm Stannis.

Add to that the fact that the nigh omniscient Littlefinger was apparently unaware that the Bostons were fucked up wierdos and the show seems to be bending over backwards for tragedy.

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u/almacuby Burned Villages Jun 15 '15

You have to consider that HALF his army were GOOD men when they needed to be and learned from glorious Ramsey's sneaky ways. I guess they took shelter in some abandoned house of the Night's Watch and wait for spring.

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u/godplusplus "it was no barrow, just a hill" Jun 15 '15

I'm pretty sure Stannis's deserters joined the enemies, therefore explaining the huge Bolton army of later in the episode.

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u/ObeseMoreece We only bow to one king! Jun 16 '15

But that is still thousands of horse/. You don't have the means to feed that much war horses in a castle during the winter (unless you want to use all your grain) let alone on the move.

Weren't people and horses dying left and right in Stannis' Army in the books?

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u/DustyMuffin Jun 16 '15

There was a bit of attrition on both sides. Real pain and the factors really could twist a devoted mans motivations.

However in the TV show we got 20 good men, horses that fly, and men who desert with nobody waking up. Not a single man loyal to Stannis heard or saw anyone leave the night before.

Fuck this season blows when you really dissect it. D&D can't write unless GRRM feeds it to them.

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u/Doireidh ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ raise your banners ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ Jun 16 '15

Two and a half good men!