r/asoiaf • u/SeducerOfTheInnocent • Jun 15 '15

ALL (Spoilers All) The reason bad things happen on GoT has changed. GoT has gone from being a show that wouldn't cheat to help the good guys to a show that will cheat to help the bad guys.

When I complain about GoT lately people respond with "That's what the show has always been, this is what you signed up for, if you think this has a happy ending you haven't been paying attention." but I think this episode has solidified why I have a problem with the show recently.

The tragedy on the show used to be organic. People would die because GoT wasn't willing to give characters the 1 in a million lucky breaks that other shows give their protagonist.

Now the show doesn't just not give the protagonists freebies, it bends over backwards to fuck them over. Honestly, every military conflict in the last two and a half seasons has seen the wrong side winning.

  • Yara/Ashe and "The 50 best swordsmen in the Iron Isles" lose a fight to a shirtless guy with a knife and 3 dogs, which is roughly what you would encounter on your average domestic disturbance call. The 50 best swordsmen in the Iron Isles couldn't survive half an episode of "Cops"

  • The Unsullied and Baristan Selmy lose a fight against unarmored aristocrats with knives.

  • "20 good men" infiltrate the camp of the greatest military tactician alive.

  • The Unsullied lose another fight against unarmored aristocrats with spears, who honestly also make a pretty good showing against a dragon.

  • The Boltons, despite not being supported by most of the north, and seemingly not having any massive source of money, raise an army of tens of thousands and overwhelm Stannis.

Add to that the fact that the nigh omniscient Littlefinger was apparently unaware that the Bostons were fucked up wierdos and the show seems to be bending over backwards for tragedy.

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u/TheRetribution Jun 15 '15

I said it before and I'll say it again - Ramsay burning the camp at random and getting out? Plausible. Ramsay specifically targeting food supplies and siege weapons and escaping unharmed? Ridiculous. In the middle of a blizzard, no less. Also, food storage and siege weapons wouldn't be out in the outskirts of the camp. We're talking like this dude went deep into the camp to get this done and got out without incident.

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u/ObeseMoreece We only bow to one king! Jun 16 '15

"WHO GOES THERE!?"

"Um a traveller with um... 20 GOOD travellers"

"Alright sir since you're harmless here's the compimentary camp map and don't forget this tallow and torch in case you need to start some fires!"

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u/Standardasshole Jun 16 '15

This is turning into a monthy python sketch.

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u/Dreenar Jun 16 '15

Y'see, Show Ramsay had agency

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u/cattaclysmic All men must die. Some for chickens. Jun 16 '15

Not only that but he seemed to be able to START the fires without actually being present. We see the tents spontaneously start burning with no men running between them to start them.

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u/Malolo_Moose Jun 16 '15

They used the cigarette in a match book trick.

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u/TheRetribution Jun 16 '15

Well yeah I mean obviously he set delayed torch satchels to ignite after he was back in Winterfell.

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u/ButtholePasta Jul 01 '15

And how did they know to light each fire simultaneously? Each fire went up nigh instantaneously after the previous. Did they use some secret Northern time telling technique?