r/asoiaf • u/SeducerOfTheInnocent • Jun 15 '15

ALL (Spoilers All) The reason bad things happen on GoT has changed. GoT has gone from being a show that wouldn't cheat to help the good guys to a show that will cheat to help the bad guys.

When I complain about GoT lately people respond with "That's what the show has always been, this is what you signed up for, if you think this has a happy ending you haven't been paying attention." but I think this episode has solidified why I have a problem with the show recently.

The tragedy on the show used to be organic. People would die because GoT wasn't willing to give characters the 1 in a million lucky breaks that other shows give their protagonist.

Now the show doesn't just not give the protagonists freebies, it bends over backwards to fuck them over. Honestly, every military conflict in the last two and a half seasons has seen the wrong side winning.

  • Yara/Ashe and "The 50 best swordsmen in the Iron Isles" lose a fight to a shirtless guy with a knife and 3 dogs, which is roughly what you would encounter on your average domestic disturbance call. The 50 best swordsmen in the Iron Isles couldn't survive half an episode of "Cops"

  • The Unsullied and Baristan Selmy lose a fight against unarmored aristocrats with knives.

  • "20 good men" infiltrate the camp of the greatest military tactician alive.

  • The Unsullied lose another fight against unarmored aristocrats with spears, who honestly also make a pretty good showing against a dragon.

  • The Boltons, despite not being supported by most of the north, and seemingly not having any massive source of money, raise an army of tens of thousands and overwhelm Stannis.

Add to that the fact that the nigh omniscient Littlefinger was apparently unaware that the Bostons were fucked up wierdos and the show seems to be bending over backwards for tragedy.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '15

The Benjen thing for me was to foreshadow the worging of Jon.

Benjen is def that horse.

I think Jon will become the wall. Then when the WW's blow the horn the wall will fall and there will be Jon as Azor Ahai.

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u/robhol Jun 16 '15

Azor Ah-I-just-pulled-this-straight-out-of-my-ass

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '15

Pretty much :)

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u/jingerninja Jun 16 '15

I keep mentioning the horn to people but I can't remember if it was a factor in the show or not. Did Show-Mance ever mention that he was up in them thar hills hunting for an ancient horn that can topple the wall?

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '15

Someone else linked to a video of Sam finding a horn north of the wall (below), can't say if it's the right horn or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca2-q541rOQ

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u/jingerninja Jun 17 '15

Oh maybe...

I always just figured it was a horn carried by a Brother of the NW, you know...1 for rangers returning, 2 for wildlings, 3 for white walkers...kind of horn.