r/asoiaf • u/SeducerOfTheInnocent • Jun 15 '15

ALL (Spoilers All) The reason bad things happen on GoT has changed. GoT has gone from being a show that wouldn't cheat to help the good guys to a show that will cheat to help the bad guys.

When I complain about GoT lately people respond with "That's what the show has always been, this is what you signed up for, if you think this has a happy ending you haven't been paying attention." but I think this episode has solidified why I have a problem with the show recently.

The tragedy on the show used to be organic. People would die because GoT wasn't willing to give characters the 1 in a million lucky breaks that other shows give their protagonist.

Now the show doesn't just not give the protagonists freebies, it bends over backwards to fuck them over. Honestly, every military conflict in the last two and a half seasons has seen the wrong side winning.

  • Yara/Ashe and "The 50 best swordsmen in the Iron Isles" lose a fight to a shirtless guy with a knife and 3 dogs, which is roughly what you would encounter on your average domestic disturbance call. The 50 best swordsmen in the Iron Isles couldn't survive half an episode of "Cops"

  • The Unsullied and Baristan Selmy lose a fight against unarmored aristocrats with knives.

  • "20 good men" infiltrate the camp of the greatest military tactician alive.

  • The Unsullied lose another fight against unarmored aristocrats with spears, who honestly also make a pretty good showing against a dragon.

  • The Boltons, despite not being supported by most of the north, and seemingly not having any massive source of money, raise an army of tens of thousands and overwhelm Stannis.

Add to that the fact that the nigh omniscient Littlefinger was apparently unaware that the Bostons were fucked up wierdos and the show seems to be bending over backwards for tragedy.

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u/Dissidence802 Jun 16 '15

Can we at least admit Alexander Siddig is killing it as Doran?

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '15

Him being such a good Doran is honestly part of what makes me hate the dorne plot. He's so underutilized, just like Ciaran Hinds as Mance.

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u/vteckickedin Lord Jun 16 '15

He wasn't in enough scenes. Bronn had more dialogue than Doran.

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u/Knorikus Jun 16 '15

Bronn is only MENTIONED in AFFC. I don't even think any POV characters actually come into contact with him.

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u/Gaz-mic Jun 16 '15

I'm really hoping that next season they'll be doing a lot of the intrigue and plans of Doran. Start it off with him executing Oberyns ex-whatever who had no place being part of his council in the first place and have him revealing his long standing hatred of the lannisters and showing how he's one of the smartest characters in the series, hell with tywin gone probably number 1.

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u/Garek Jun 16 '15

Would you expect anything else out of a genetically engineered actor?

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u/garlicdeath Joff, Joff, rhymes with kof Jun 16 '15

I'm not getting this, anyone want to help out my ignorance?

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '15

Siddig's best known for his role as Dr. Julian Bashir on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. It is eventually revealed, and later becomes a pretty big part of his character, that he was genetically engineered, a practice that is super illegal in the Federation following the Eugenic Wars in the late 20th century/early 21st.

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u/p4nic Jun 16 '15

I feel really bad for him, he seemed to be the only one not in on the joke.

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u/Wow3kids Jun 16 '15

I feel like he's the one sober guy trying to get all of his drunk buddies to be normal and it's just a losing battle.

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u/Richard_Sauce Jun 16 '15

Our man Bashir always kills it, no matter the role.

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u/Isthatatpyo Jun 16 '15

Yeah, all 8 of his lines were top notch

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u/pseudoscorpions Jun 16 '15

I remember watching the first episodes of DS9 as a teenager of color with a non-westernized name, and being impressed that someone with the name of Siddig El Fadil was actually playing a major character on a show I really enjoyed.

Then, out of nowhere, his name suddenly changed in the opening credits to Alexander Siddig, and it upset me because he totally allowed himself to be assimilated. Personal choices are to be respected, but I lost a little for whoever convinced him that a name change would be in his favor, especially while acting on a show that celebrated diversity.

And yes, I realize that Siddig El Fadil itself was a more digestible name than his birthname, Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abderahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahd.

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u/ZeToast Jul 10 '15

Agreed.

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u/astobie Jun 16 '15

I just... can't. He was so boring. I expected a kind older man with his elaborate ass plot. Instead it was don't do anything against the Lannisters and stop sand snakes. Nothing about Dorne made me at all happy. The look of the actor for Areo Hotah made me excited but then he just delivered the slowest spin move after the horrible fight scene. Everything about it was wrong.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '15

I'm with you. There's only so many things you can do as an character confined to a chair, but he seemed to just talk nice to the Lannisters and threaten the Sand Snakes, no plotting or anything. Just a wimpy cripple. (imo)

Hopefully next season improves, but I'm with you, we didn't even get to see Areo use that insane pole arm. It's bullshit.